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Someone told me that a Nemesis Warding Staff gives a 2+ invulnerable in cc to the whole unit that the bearer belongs to. The book simply says that it gives the bearer a 2+ invulnerable in cc. Is there some rule that confers that to the unit or something?

Book's right, friend's wrong. Bearer means....well, the guy holding it. It's like Tau shield drones...imagine how cool they'd be if they gave the whole unit a 4+ invul...

But you can elect to make the warding staff guy take any attack you want right? So he could suck up one powerfist attack or something. Still not seeing the usefulness of this item if it's not on an IC though.

That one powerfist or power weapon attack that would be tough to save against in terminator armor (5+) is much easier to save against with a 2+ invun. Keeps units alive.

the Warding stave is useful for a 10 man squad that runs into a hidden PF/PW or something.

PFs normally only do 1 or 2 wounds anyway. getting a 2+ against 1 attack is pretty nice.


on an IC its super good. my Libby is toting one around.

You can stack the nasty wounds on him so long as you have enough other wounds to go around. You can put 2 power fist wounds on the wardingstaff until you have 1 wound for everyone else in the squad.

Grey Templar wrote:the Warding stave is useful for a 10 man squad that runs into a hidden PF/PW or something.

PFs normally only do 1 or 2 wounds anyway. getting a 2+ against 1 attack is pretty nice.


on an IC its super good. my Libby is toting one around.

Unless it's on a Grand Master. 25 points for a +1 to your invulnerable save is a tad expensive...

yeah, especially with your free 3++


its super good for a libby though.

Good to give to your Justicar for Perils as well?

Only Perils for Tests done in the assault phase when locked in combat.

Good call. But a large portion of their checks are in combat, so that's good.

Only Perils for Tests done in the assault phase when locked in combat.

Even then only possibly or probably depending on how one thinks the FAQ will turn out.

pretre wrote:Good call. But a large portion of their checks are in combat, so that's good.

I still dont think its worth it. You pay a lot for a 2++ against perils attacks that come in close combat. But you have to reroll sucessful perils attacks so you are going to fail 30% of the time. You also cant use it against COM or perils from other phases(if there are any unit cast able psykic tests not in CC). I think the staff is best for eating powerclaws and power weapons. It costs a lot to and is worth the points against those wounds. Using it against perils doesnt seem worth it.

Right, which is why I suggested it as an added benefit... Hence the 'as well?' at the end of my original statement.

pretre wrote:Right, which is why I suggested it as an added benefit... Hence the 'as well?' at the end of my original statement.

my point is that its a lot of points to stop a noncrucial wound. Once he fails it once he is dead and his nemisis wardingstaff is lying on the ground useless. You want to save that thing for nasty wounds. Ones that can effect combat resolution which will either lead to you running down and destroying an enemy squad or them breaking you, catching you and forcing no retreat wounds.

Its like a DE shadowfield. Its great until you fail it once. You could use it to eat incoming lasgun fire(assuming you have a squad around you to allocate wounds to), but those wounds are likely noncrucial. Best to save it for the PK, Force Weapon, Slaneshblades that may come later as to an Archon, those wounds really matter.

It is certinaly worse because you have to reroll it if successful.

On a libby, it seems great though, as he has multiple wounds and can be targeted in CC.

Right, but against Perils, you have no choice. If he didn't have the staff, he would be dead as he doesn't get an armor save against it and the Perils has to be allocated to the Justicar.

pretre wrote:Right, but against Perils, you have no choice. If he didn't have the staff, he would be dead as he doesn't get an armor save against it and the Perils has to be allocated to the Justicar.

yes, but he is just another model. Let him die. Your warding staff can be on some other bloke who wont get attacked by perils. A halberd might be worth it on a justicar but warding staffs cost too much.

Agreed that they are spendy.

But he's not just another model, +1LD.

pretre wrote:Agreed that they are spendy.

But he's not just another model, +1LD.

only one strike squads and intercepters, in which case they also have +1 attack. Which is why I would go for a halberd, better in CC

for most squads the justicar gets neither Ld nor more attacks, so just let him die.