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Vanguard heroic intervention, does it work coming off of a stormraven?

As in the Storm Raven Deepstrikes in carrying the Vanguard, the Vanguard disembark and then attempt to assault?

No.

Storm raven assault ramps rule clearly forbids it.

Any time the Storm raven moves(provided it did not deepstrike in that turn) and disembarks any troops however, those troops can get out and then assault do to Assault ramps(same as with all land raider variants).

If the Stormraven Deep strikes and the VV's have Jump packs, they should be able too through the declaration of Heroic Intervention?

According to my understanding, if the Stormraven moves flat out and the vanguards disembark using the "skies of blood" special rule, they enter play using the deep strike rules, and heroic intervention will apply.

DeathReaper wrote:If the Stormraven Deep strikes and the VV's have Jump packs, they should be able too through the declaration of Heroic Intervention?

Doesn't matter as they will still be exiting the storm Raven, and it's assault ramps deny any assaults during the turn the Storm Raven Deepstrikes. The VV are not deepstriking under their own power they are disembarking from the Storm Raven.

Takerukau; that is a good question, let me double check all the relevant rules.

Edit: the skies of blood rule expressly forbids any assaults, they could possibly be able to assault through the Deepstrike rules(although technically they do not count as deepstriking, you simply use those rules); but their HI rules say nothing of being able to assault when they are disembarked via Skies of blood.

You have a Specific denial of assaults, and no specific allowance; therefore you cannot assault.

Also they are certainly not Arriving from reserves via deepstrike; so they do not even have any permission from any other "using the Deepstrike rules" variation.

Kommissar Kel wrote:
Edit: the skies of blood rule expressly forbids any assaults, they could possibly be able to assault through the Deepstrike rules(although technically they do not count as deepstriking, you simply use those rules); but their HI rules say nothing of being able to assault when they are disembarked via Skies of blood.

that answered it, thanx. i was thinking just that, but there was always a chance i miss read the rules on heroic intervention or skies of blood.

"If a jump pack equipped Vanguard Veteran Squad arrives from Reserve by Deep Strike, the player can elect for the squad to perform a Heroic Intervention."

So it doesn't really matter if it counts as deep striking from a Storm Raven, since you are not arriving from reserve.

overkongen wrote:"If a jump pack equipped Vanguard Veteran Squad arrives from Reserve by Deep Strike, the player can elect for the squad to perform a Heroic Intervention."

So it doesn't really matter if it counts as deep striking from a Storm Raven, since you are not arriving from reserve.

Yes you are in reserve. The VV's are in reserve inside the StormRaven, but since HI allows assault and the SR restricts them, you can't assault. But not because they were not in reserve (Didn't have my book in front of me before so I could not read the assault ramps rule)

I'm actually inclined to disagree with Kel for once.

If they are disembarking via Skies of Blood, it's a definite no. I agree on that.

If the SR just Deep Struck, however, I think they could do it. They'd have to declare the Heroic Intervention at the moment the SR was placed, of course, before rolling to scatter it. The prohibition under the SR's assault ramps rule is a paranthetical aside- it looks like just a reminder that units DSing can't normally assault. And the main DS rules say the same thing, but specifically exempt units which have a special rule allowing them to assault the turn they Deep Strike.

I kind of thought the same way Mann, but I am on the fence with this one. since units that arrive from reserve can not usually assault the same turn. but the Heroic Intervention allows an assault after Deep strike.

The two rules contradict each other. since assault ramps allow assaults after the SR moves, but not after the raven itself has deep struck. But that is only because deep striking units are normally disallowed from assaulting.

the Assault ramps rule could have been written better, if the intended for HI to work they could have said: Troops embarked on a vehicle with assault ramps count as having deep struck as well.

I think Heroic Intervention trumps, as it's more specific.

Yea it does seem like HI is more specific, as It seems that assault ramps are just restating that deep strikers can not assault on the turn they arrive. they give permission to assault after a move, but re-restrict assaulting after a deep strike, which Heroic Intervention overrides.

I think I am on this side of the fence now.

Though badly worded rules are badly worded.