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So if someone tank shocks a squad with haywire grenades any model in the unit can try to death or glory.
The model can use haywire grenades to attack back.
The grenade auto hits regardless of vehicle speed.
glances on 2-5 and pens on a 6
resulting in a 1/3 chance to stop a normal vehicle and a 1/2 chance to stop an open topped vehicle.


Right?

Your probabilities are off, but yes, you can do that.

Remember though, it is only a model in the path of the tank shocking vehicle that can DoG, not any model in the squad.

Galador wrote:Remember though, it is only a model in the path of the tank shocking vehicle that can DoG, not any model in the squad.

What he said.

yea, your probabilities are about right to- assuming an Extra Armor or equivalent upgrade has not been taken, as that lowers your probabilities.

2/3 chance for glance, 1/6 chance for pen
on open topped, we get stop it on a glance on 6,5,3, and we stop it on a pen on anything but a 2

2/3*1/2+1/6*5/6=0.4722

so you've got a ~47% chance of stopping a tank with death or glory with a haywire wych. Not bad odds!

Galador wrote:Remember though, it is only a model in the path of the tank shocking vehicle that can DoG, not any model in the squad.

The only unit I know that can take haywire grenades are wyches, and they either all taken them or none, so any model in the squad can do it.

I suppose characters can take grenades, but I certainly wouldnt death or glory a character.


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akaean wrote:yea, your probabilities are about right to- assuming an Extra Armor or equivalent upgrade has not been taken, as that lowers your probabilities.

2/3 chance for glance, 1/6 chance for pen
on open topped, we get stop it on a glance on 6,5,3, and we stop it on a pen on anything but a 2

2/3*1/2+1/6*5/6=0.4722

so you've got a ~47% chance of stopping a tank with death or glory with a haywire wych. Not bad odds!

for our purposes Pi is about 3

Exergy wrote:
I suppose characters can take grenades, but I certainly wouldnt death or glory a character.

Then you, sir, have never played a game over a large assortment of micro brews and had your opponent egg you on about how "only your leader would be courageous enough to do such a thing".

Ah, beerhammer

'tis a wonderful thing...

Oaka wrote:

Exergy wrote:
I suppose characters can take grenades, but I certainly wouldnt death or glory a character.

Then you, sir, have never played a game over a large assortment of micro brews and had your opponent egg you on about how "only your leader would be courageous enough to do such a thing".

And, sir, one might suggest, have therefore never lived!

Often in a fun game, I'll ask my opponents what they think a Special Character would do in a situation and, if I agree, will do it.

"Now, should Ghazkhull take on the easy target of that stunned Predator, or charge right into the centre of those Sanguinary Guards? Yes, I think so! Kill 'em all, boyz!"

Oaka wrote:

Exergy wrote:
I suppose characters can take grenades, but I certainly wouldnt death or glory a character.

Then you, sir, have never played a game over a large assortment of micro brews and had your opponent egg you on about how "only your leader would be courageous enough to do such a thing".

O i have, soul trap and a Djin blade

if the blade rebells you have 2 instadeath wounds coming your way real at Init 7(meaning you can die before the enemy even gets to strike)

Exergy wrote:

Galador wrote:Remember though, it is only a model in the path of the tank shocking vehicle that can DoG, not any model in the squad.

The only unit I know that can take haywire grenades are wyches, and they either all taken them or none, so any model in the squad can do it.

I suppose characters can take grenades, but I certainly wouldnt death or glory a character.

The rules for tank shock state that only a model in the vehicle's path may DoG it, that is why I stated this. Also, yes, Archons and Succubus can take haywires, and also swooping hawks and Baharroth in the Eldar codex.

Oaka wrote:

Exergy wrote:
I suppose characters can take grenades, but I certainly wouldnt death or glory a character.

Then you, sir, have never played a game over a large assortment of micro brews and had your opponent egg you on about how "only your leader would be courageous enough to do such a thing".

I once rolled right over The Deceiver with a battlewagon simply because another player at store spent 30 seconds goading my opponent with the fact that he had 2d6 to pen. Poor poor deceiver never saw it coming.

Splat!

Take that, Star God!