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2 Queries about this power:

1: It says "any model...must pass a Strength test". Any model, how does this work against vehicles with S values? Titans? Would they be affected?

2: Bit of a RAW thing, but the rules say that "Any model within D6" must pass a Strength test, any which fail are sucked into Warp...destroyed." Note that it says that they must "pass a Strength test", rather than "take a Strength test". Does this mean that if an enemy model is told to pass a Strength test from ZoB, then they can never fail it? Discuss.

A roll of a 6 always fails a Characteristic Test just as a double one always passes a Leadership test, no matter what.

So a Titan would be affected if it failed its test, interesting.

Yeah seems auto-dead for vehicles as stands. Wow didn;t even realise how good an LR killer old Stern was. Is there anything about it not effecting vehicles in the rule don't have my GKs codex with me.

Nope, just says it affects every model within D6".

Then yes goodbye titan, goodbye any superheavy or any vehicle.

However, vehicles have their own set of characteristics, none of which is Strength. So if you don't have a characteristic, you can't be tested on it. And while it does state that if you have a 0 in that characteristic, you auto fail any test, vehicles dont have a 0 in Str, they just don't have the Str characteristic to begin with. (With the exception of walkers and Titans of course. And I'm sure there are a few other special vehicles that may have it. )

However, it is useful to note that in the Walkers section of vehicles, the other characteristics that are added on to them are noted as being additional characteristics, and not normally there. So IMHO, I would say that walkers would have to test, but vehicles would not, or they would ignore it like they ignore morale checks and leadership tests.

FlingitNow wrote:Then yes goodbye titan, goodbye any superheavy or any vehicle.

Except that Titans and Gargantuan Creatures aren't affected by psychic powers that don't have a strength value. So while Vortex of Doom would work against them, Zone of Banishment would not.

So if you don't have a characteristic, you can't be tested on it. And while it does state that if you have a 0 in that characteristic, you auto fail any test, vehicles dont have a 0 in Str, they just don't have the Str characteristic to begin with.

This is all correct the vehicles won't fail the test. Fortunately failing the test isn't anything to do with this power.

Have they passed the test? No (they haven't even taken it).

Therefore they are removed.

They cant even take the test, so you cannot move on and game breaks.

Personally I run a gatling psilencer on my DK and every time that thing shoots it kills 2+ marines. It

It doesn't require them to take the test only to pass it.

And they cannot take the test, therefore you never find out if they pass or fail. Theyre both a dead and alive cat.

And they cannot take the test, therefore you never find out if they pass or fail. Theyre both a dead and alive cat.

you don't care if they fail. Have they passed the test. By not taking it you know they haven't (they also haven't failed it either). Therefore they are dead.

No, they are unable to take it - you roll but dont know what the pass or fail criteria are. THerefore you cannot resolve the test, and the game halts.

They are neither dead nor alive.

No, they are unable to take it - you roll but dont know what the pass or fail criteria are. THerefore you cannot resolve the test, and the game halts.

Why are you even taking the test? You are not require3d to take a test by the rules and with no stat you can't.

If you've yet to take a driving test you haven't passed a driving test. You haven't failed one either. But guess what you're still not allowed to drive. The law doesn't break because you haven't tested...

"All models (friend and foe) within D6 of Stern, not including Stern himself, must immediately pass a strength test. Those that fail are drawn into the warp and removed as casualties(they don't count towards combat resolution)." (GK codex pg. 41)

You can't fail a test you are not taking, unless not taking the test is defined as failing. As it is not, nothing happens to vehicles. Also note that you can't remove models without a wound characteristic as casualties.

Sorry my bad thought is what pass or like CoM. Yeah the game breaks when Vehicles are nearby. It thus has no effect on vehicles.

FLing - because youre told you need to pass the test. So you try to pass it, start to take the test and get stuck

Judmah - sadly the rules are "pass or die" - if you havent taken the test you havent passed it. Agreed on the remove as casualties part however - that doesnt apply to vehicles.

The rule says you have to pass. The rule does not say what to do with units that didn't fail, even if they didn't pass.

Plus you never ever remove a vehicle as casualty.

FLing - because youre told you need to pass the test. So you try to pass it, start to take the test and get stuck

You aren't told you need to pass it you are told what happens if you don't pass it. You have no rules to gvoern taking it so you can't pass it. Knowing you can't pass it allows you to move onto the next step.

You are not told what to do if you don't pass. You are told what to do if you fail. See quote above.

Nos said that the above quote was incorrect. I've already stated that if that is correct (fail = dead) then it has no effect on vehicles.

Jidmah wrote:"All models (friend and foe) within D6 of Stern, not including Stern himself, must immediately pass a strength test. Those that fail are drawn into the warp and removed as casualties(they don't count towards combat resolution)." (GK codex pg. 41)

You can't fail a test you are not taking, unless not taking the test is defined as failing. As it is not, nothing happens to vehicles. Also note that you can't remove models without a wound characteristic as casualties.

FlingitNow wrote:Nos said that the above quote was incorrect. I've already stated that if that is correct (fail = dead) then it has no effect on vehicles.

Uh, my quote is taken straight (word for word) from a printed codex? How can it be incorrect? As far as I know there is no second printing of the GK codex(yet).

I don't have the codex with me. If that is correct then it can't effect vehicles.

It can't effect vehicles without an S value, definitely. But what about Walkers?

They have a strength value, so can be required to take the test. However they cannot be removed as casualties, so even if they fail they dont get removed.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/359953.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/359541.page

As discussed before, no it won't work on vehicles with no Str test. You can't take a characteristic test on a characteristic you don't posses. Not have a characteristic is not the same as having the characteristic with a value of 0.

I agree with Nos on how it would affect walkers. They could take the test, but even failing they are not removed.