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Hey there

I'm playing a friend of mine using my fatecrusher list, this battle has been on the cards for some time with my friend ducking and dodging my army but finally it has come to fruition
My mate is keeping his list secret however i do know that he is playing 2 LR crusaders. I have absolutely no experience against BT so any advice will be appreciated. I have two variations of my list and will list them both.

List 1

HQ:
Fateweaver 333

Bloodthirster 255
-Blessing of the blood god

Troops:
Plaguebearers 75
x 5

Plaguebearers 75
x 5

Elites

Bloodcrushers 200
x 4
-Fullcommand

Bloodcrushers 200
x 4
-Fullcommand

Fiends 190
x 6
-Unholy might

Heavy Support:

Daemon Prince 210
-Daemonic Flight
-Iron Hide
-MoN
-Noxious touch

Daemon Prince 210
-Daemonic Flight
-Iron Hide
-MoN
-Noxious touch

1748.

List two

HQ:

Fateweaver 333

Tzerald 110
-Chariot
-Bolt
-Master of sorcery
-We are legion

Tzerald 110
-Chariot
-Bolt
-Master of sorcery
-We are legion

Troops:

Plaguebearers 90
x 6

Plaguebearers 90
x 6

Elites

Bloodcrushers 200
x 4
-Fullcommand

Bloodcrushers 200
x 4
-Fullcommand

Fiends 190
x 6
-Unholy might

Heavy support:

Daemon prince 140
-MoT
-Bolt

Daemon prince 140
-MoT
-Bolt

Daemon prince 140
-MoT
-Bolt

1743.

I think list two is better, but i like having the blood thirster in there so i can deal with AV14 - especially knowing that he is rolling at least tow LR crusaders.

What do you guys think..?

Any C&C is appreciated.

Happy Easter btw

BBJ

Of the two I think the first is better. Indeed because of the Bloodthirster. Both Princes will impress more as well given their wings. You'll need the speed with the two slower squads of Crushers.

Black Templar used to be gimmicky in 4th edition where the lists were based on huge blocks of combatty Space Marines who make a fall back move towards you every time they get shot. Since the last patch (latest FAQ) however, especially the BT Terminators have become better so expect a lot of those. Basically a BT list doesn't have anything especially rude to Daemons. Standard TH/SS Terminator stuff. Nasty, but when Fateweaver works you'll do just great. Oh, and who cares about Landraiders. You're more than well equiped to deal with what comes out of those Landraiders and when all else is killed your monstrous creatures will take them out eventually.

You know you're very light on troops of course. If he's a good player you'll need to keep them safe!

Give 'm hell ;-) Cilithan

Cilithan wrote:Of the two I think the first is better.

Agreed, +1. You need more troops though. I like the Bloodthirster, but I would probably drop him for another squad of Plaguebearers. You could also drop the Insturments of Chaos from the bloodcrusher units to save a few points. You need to also capitalize on the slower movement of those BT. Your codex has some very expensive units, but those BT do to. So you guys are on par there. He may have fancy tanks, but your MC's can chew them up easily.

Here is what I would possibly run and what my brother runs consistently.

HQ:
Fateweaver = 333

Elite:
Bloodcrushers (4), Icon = 185
Flamers (3) = 105

Troop:
Plaguebearers (5), Icon = 100
Plaguebearers (5), Icon = 100
Plaguebearers (6) = 90
Horrors (6), Changeling = 107
Horrors (6) = 102

Heavy Support:
Daemon Prince, MoN, Daemonic Flight, Iron Hide, Noxious Touch = 210
Daemon Prince, MoN, Daemonic Flight, Iron Hide, Noxious Touch = 210
Daemon Prince, MoN, Daemonic Flight, Iron Hide, Noxious Touch = 210

Total Point Value is 1752, a tad over, but not too bad. You can always drop the Changeling off the list, or even drop the Horrors altogether...but you need troops choices badly. ESPECIALLY at larger point values. 67% of all the games you play will be objective based. This has been effective against many players in our group and the Icons definitely help out, so you were headed in the right direction. The Instruments are okay, but not necessary.

Good luck with your game. I hope no matter what, that you do well and have fun. And Happy Easter back at ya.

I agree with Cilithian, stick with the Bloodthirster. He's going to have to choose to shoot @ the thirster, or shoot at fateweaver. If he splits his fire, he's as good as dead.

If he shoots at Fateweaver, then he has to deal with all the big mean nasties. If he shoots at the bloodthirster, he's got to deal with Fatecrusher. It's a win-win.

List 1, for sure.

Thanks gentlemen for all your comments and criticism

Sooo.. it appears list 1 is the favorite huh?
Yeah, i love tzeentch chariots - but i just hate having to drop the thirster for them.

Hmmm.. I feel like i lack shooting, how would you guys feel about swapping one of the nurgle princes for a flying tzeentch prince..?
Something like:

Daemon Prince
Daemonic flight
MoT
Breath o' chaos
Bolt

Also any other modifications you'd make..?
Thanks in advance - hope you guys have eaten your weight in chocolate for easter btw, i'l start looking like a nurgle daemon prince by the end of the weekend

BBJ

List 1 is very similar to how I run my fatecrusher and it has yet to disappoint.

Awesome, any thoughts on the Tzeentch DP..? Anybody..?
Leave the list how it is or any changes..?

I run two princes @ 1500 & 1850. One nurgle (Iron Hide, Cloud, Noxious Touch) and one Khorne (Wings, Hide, Might, Blessings) and I have had great success with them.

I run my Fatecrusher w/ two MoT DPs with bolt,gaze,and master of sorcery. I find I have all the power weapons i need between the BT and the crushers. Use the fiends to catch bikes/vehicles.

I think having 3 bolts to open rhinos is nice as between cover saves and poor die rolling the extra attempts are nice. the gaze is nice so i can at least glance if my bolts are full of fail. which sometimes they are.

you might want to try a couple of games with seekers instead of fiends. more attacks and gernades. yes theyre attacks are less strong but still rending. the gernades are very nice and depending on your meta the seekers can help with dark elder high initative.

still id change your MoN DPs to MoT and use the points for a 3rd 5 man PB squad if you can.

Finnnally at 5 points might on your BT would be a nice addition. yes your a MC when you hit that LR but for 5 points its a bargain.

+1 to the BT might. Great bang for the buck, and you'll always wish you had it when you roll low for your monstrous creature penetration rolls.

So i used a modified list 1 as when it came to the game - my friend had written a list for 2000 points, basically i used list 1 and added a bolt prince and a 5 man squad of horrors w bolt and the changelling.

The list i played was roughly:
3 LR crusaders
2 Landspeeders w assault cannons
Predator w auto cannon and heavy bolters
Emperors champion
Chaplin
1 squad of TH/SS terminators
and two big tactical squads w plasma and fists in each.

We rolled for mission type and set up. KPs and dawn of war.
I was a little intimidated at first - seeing all this AV 14 - however i ended up tabling him by the bottom of turn 5.
Few highlights:

- Fateweaver saving 20+ rerollable saves in two turns and then the first wound taken he fled by failing my LD test! - Essentially he had done what he was supposed to by this time, by that stage i had taken 3 turns of firing and only lost a DP and a crusher.

-My opponent immobilising his LR on dangerous terrain then it being wrecked by a the lone crusher w rending on a 6 on the D3 roll followed by a 5 on the damage chart.

-My dp despite 4 penetrating hits and 1 glancing on the predator only, weapon destroying, imobilising it and then having it gunned down by the storm bolter that was left the following turn - lol.

Anyways - my thoughts on Fatecrusher are a lil different that i had thought, i underestimated how nasty this list is, the reality is for the most part, Armys simply do not have enough dakka to kill this many MC's w rerollable saves. Also it is rather predictable and boring to play and i do not know whether i will play this list regularly.

Anyways, thanks for reading

BBJ