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first rank fire...etc, does that give you 3 shots at a unit within 12" if you have moved the firing unit. it reads something like "if the unit is within 12 the unit shoots three shots rather than just two" does that mean you only get 3 shots if you can take 2 with rapid fire? so only if you dont move? or does it give +1 attacks

It means that when you rapid-fire your lasguns, you get one more shot than normal (allowing for 3 shots per model), even if you moved, and if you didn't move then you can fire at the Lasgun's full range of 24" with an additional shot per model (2 shots).

Um....

Weapons with the rapid fire rule ALWAYS shoot 2 shots at 12" or less, even if they moved.

So, if your enemy is 12" away or less, and you issue the order, you get 3 shots even if you moved to get within 12"

FRF!SRF! does not give you extra attacks.

nosferatu1001 wrote:FRF!SRF! does not give you extra attacks.

Close combat attacks, no.

But I think the OP was meaning +1 shots.

Also Nos, glad you put the smack down, I read the OP and felt the rage swell

Maybe the poor guy's just getting back into the game, having last played in 3rd edition.

thanks! Its true, i havent played for many years. it was a case of misread. mods can delete this thread now if they want. thanks all

We don't like to delete threads in YMDC. They could still theoretically be helpful to someone else.

I always read it as: instead of using rapid fire you use frf!sef! Meaning its not an extra shot, its firing in a different way. So it would not give 2 shots at 24 if you stand still. But its been months since I touched the ig codex, if it specifies range then that's what it works on not what your guns can do.

kenzosan wrote:I always read it as: instead of using rapid fire you use frf!sef! Meaning its not an extra shot, its firing in a different way. So it would not give 2 shots at 24 if you stand still. But its been months since I touched the ig codex, if it specifies range then that's what it works on not what your guns can do.

You're correct, it says exactly what you read it as.

Not at all correct; Kenzosan sain no 2 shots to 24" on stand still which is specified as happening

The end result is +1 shot(sort of).

If the unit does not move they get a total of 2 shots from 0-24"

If they do move then they get 3 shots from 0-12"

This is RAW.

RAP allows them to still follow the rapid fire rules and Simply add +1 to relevant rapid fire ranges; since they effectively lose any weapon type under FRF,SRF so we would not know if they could assault after move+fire 3 shots.