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I've just moved to a boarding school, and I didn't bring my models because of it's nerdy nature out here, besideds nobody plays warhammer, and I'd probably get no time to paint. So I was thinking, why doesn't GW create an game that replicates warhammer and 40k, for free. You could play against others online or an AI, choose the schemes of your army and so on. The game would be replicated into a real life version. So you could see all your little troops on the table moving around and shooting. The board could be selected prior to the game with different themes and such. And instead of it being 2D it would be 3D, meaning you can change the screen to look up and look at eye level of your troops. Now we all know the greedy ways of GW, so how about every pack you buy comes with a code that you type into the program, allowing you to uploading your army into the game. You can also buy in-game squads with cash for a small amount.Attacks would be animated, which would look sick. it would also be profitable.

Because then people wouldn't buy the miniatures as much. They'd only be competing with themselves.

Brother SRM wrote:Because then people wouldn't buy the miniatures as much. They'd only be competing with themselves.

You have to buy the minatures to play... E.g you buy an ork battle force. In the instructions inside the box are unique codes that, when you enter into the game, you get the models in game aswell

DAWARBOSS wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:Because then people wouldn't buy the miniatures as much. They'd only be competing with themselves.

You have to buy the minatures to play... E.g you buy an ork battle force. In the instructions inside the box are unique codes that, when you enter into the game, you get the models in game aswell

If WotC didn't do it for Magic Online, there's absolutely positively no way GW would.

DAWARBOSS wrote:You have to buy the minatures to play... E.g you buy an ork battle force. In the instructions inside the box are unique codes that, when you enter into the game, you get the models in game aswell

I've had the same thought before when the same topic came up in discussion with some of my buddies. It's easier to pirate a serial code online than it is to steal a box of Marines from a gamestore.

I would like to see an online version of 40k, I could test new lists out and face different opponents and different armies that way, instead of always playing against Ultras, chaos, Tyranids, Tau, and Sisters all the time.

DeathReaper wrote:I would like to see an online version of 40k, I could test new lists out and face different opponents and different armies that way, instead of always playing against Ultras, chaos, Tyranids, Tau, and Sisters all the time.

It's almost like there's a program that lets you do this with the right expansion.

Another thing you can do is hunt down a copy of Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate. It's an old turn-based game for the PC where you play as Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers.

Noisy_Marine wrote:Another thing you can do is hunt down a copy of Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate. It's an old turn-based game for the PC where you play as Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers.

Unfortunately, it's not compatible with Windows XP on up, and it's closer to X-Com than Warhammer 40,000.

Platuan4th wrote:

DeathReaper wrote:I would like to see an online version of 40k, I could test new lists out and face different opponents and different armies that way, instead of always playing against Ultras, chaos, Tyranids, Tau, and Sisters all the time.

It's almost like there's a program that lets you do this with the right expansion.

Didn't vassal 40k get taken off?

It's the 'free' bit that GW doesn't do.

Howard A Treesong wrote:It's the 'free' bit that GW doesn't do.

No but you get the code from the box of, let's say marines, find the code in the instructions and type it in!

Absolutionis wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:Another thing you can do is hunt down a copy of Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate. It's an old turn-based game for the PC where you play as Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers.

Unfortunately, it's not compatible with Windows XP on up, and it's closer to X-Com than Warhammer 40,000.

It can work at a push I think? I know for Final Liberation it worked without cutscenes...

Final Liberation was a great game though; old, simple, turn-based and on an epic (literally) scale. Unfortunately it only have Imperial Guard vs Orks, but it's a great game that can work on Vista at least I found. I'd seriously recommend it.

Chaos Gate's good, but SM vs. Chaos only and is on a squad level, rather than actual battle level like Final Liberation.

DAWARBOSS wrote:...why doesn't GW create an game that replicates warhammer and 40k, for free...it would also be profitable.

How, exactly? lol


Also, if you use the search feature of these forums, you can see the answers and opinions to this very question. You can also find out how to strip paint off models and which glue is better for plastic.




Ghidorah

Someone know a way to run Chaos Gate on XP? Im wondering about instal Win 98 on my PC again, just to play some old games i cant right now (Settlers, Warcraft II, Chaos Gate)

And about the ideia: it is not bad, its just not profitable. Wont happen... And that is sad.

Vassal is up and running... And with some search you can found his expansions over the internet...

To be fair; a commercial computer game emulating Warhammer could very easily work and still be profitable. Slap a £30 tag on the base game, and charge an extra £10 for each codex you wish to use. Obviously, the Space Marines would need to be included in the standard package. We'd all buy it, and I doubt it's going to dent the "real" game. Quite the opposite, as computer gamers love their merchandise...

I'd much prefer something like this to the Dawn of War games, which just don't capture the feel of 40k (too hectic for my tastes, though I happily admit they are fun).



Buuuut, that's the optimist and games student in me getting lost in a fantasy world.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Someone know a way to run Chaos Gate on XP? Im wondering about instal Win 98 on my PC again, just to play some old games i cant right now (Settlers, Warcraft II, Chaos Gate)

And about the ideia: it is not bad, its just not profitable. Wont happen... And that is sad.

Vassal is up and running... And with some search you can found his expansions over the internet...

I managed to get chaos gate working on win7 so xp im guessin should be easier, all i did was make a file on the desktop and instal it to there, worked with horned rat, final lib and fire warrior (although the last is pretty dire lol).

You are right a quick search finds just about everything for vassal, although i didnt find is a fun as an actual game it is pretty good.

To the op about a product code, its as Brother SRM says its to easy to pirate codes these days. The idea is good but it would never happen.

I got chaos gate to work on vista, all you need to do is compatability mode. All was fine until i tried to move the mouse, and well let's say mouse movement was buggy. I assumed that was due to an optical mouse, so i will be trying it with an old style ball mouse in the next few days.
Stlll it was the best result i've had with chaos gate in a long while so im crossing my fingers for the mouse to be the problem (not vista).

Could you tun Chaos Gate in something like Dos Box if it's old enough?

I've always wanted something like that, but I doubt it'll ever happen...GW makes too much money on the minis

One idea I came up with is a turn-based video game similar to Final Fantasy Tactics/Tactics Advanced. It would still have play style of the table-top version, but easy of playing at home lol...I know it'll never happen though

At least Space Marine is coming out this summer

Absolutionis wrote:

Noisy_Marine wrote:Another thing you can do is hunt down a copy of Warhammer 40,000: Chaos Gate. It's an old turn-based game for the PC where you play as Ultramarines vs. Word Bearers.

Unfortunately, it's not compatible with Windows XP on up, and it's closer to X-Com than Warhammer 40,000.

It works fine on Windows XP for me???????

there are 40k games on compueter btu definatly not a take on the tabletop game. it'd be cool to do, but really it would be less interactive and i doubt gw would want it done or to do it themselves. at a table i get to watch their models, see how things look and see if i believe they are within range/measure.. plus physical dice rolling > rng imo

DAWARBOSS wrote:I've just moved to a boarding school, and I didn't bring my models because of it's nerdy nature out here, besideds nobody plays warhammer, and I'd probably get no time to paint. So I was thinking, why doesn't GW create an game that replicates warhammer and 40k, for free. You could play against others online or an AI, choose the schemes of your army and so on. The game would be replicated into a real life version. So you could see all your little troops on the table moving around and shooting. The board could be selected prior to the game with different themes and such. And instead of it being 2D it would be 3D, meaning you can change the screen to look up and look at eye level of your troops. Now we all know the greedy ways of GW, so how about every pack you buy comes with a code that you type into the program, allowing you to uploading your army into the game. You can also buy in-game squads with cash for a small amount.Attacks would be animated, which would look sick. it would also be profitable.

Once you take a basic economics class you will see that GW's entire business model would be threatened if there was a viable replacement for the model game. They would go out of business.

Balance wrote:Could you tun Chaos Gate in something like Dos Box if it's old enough?

Chaos Gate is for Windows 95/98...

Your best solution is to download Virtualbox or VMware workstation, find an old Win95/98 CD from your basement and install a Virtual Machine.... works great, that's how I play the old Space Hulk: vengeance of the Blood angels, Chaos Gate and Final Liberation games

You can run both Chaos Gate and Final Liberation on Windows Vista. Final Liberation videos are all messed up, but the game works fine.

Here's what to do:

Final Liberation - Run in 98/ME compatibility.

Chaos Gate - Run in win95 compatibility. The other issue is that the las pistol firing animation or sound crashes the game to desktop. There is a fix here that worked for me:

http://www.compatdb.org/forums/topic/46630-wh40k-chaos-gate-solution-to-the-cultist-bug/

ph34r wrote:Once you take a basic economics class you will see that GW's entire business model would be threatened if there was a viable replacement for the model game. They would go out of business.

Would you care to give a brief explanation of why? I'm not an economist, but I'm assuming that it would have to do with costs GW currently has, debts, etc. and the manner in which the company remains profitable in spite of that. Is it an issue of GW losing model sales while having already spent money to produce the models without making enough money to cover that loss with the new product?

It seems to me that an electronic version of 40K, even if it's a minimal deal like a web version of AOBR or something, would serve as a marketing tool and potentially increase sales by expanding the customer base, etc. I can see how you would think that GW would go out of business by producing an electronic version of its wargames if you predicted that said electronic version of its wargames would replace model sales instead of enhancing them. How would a working knowledge of basic economics predict that result and forecast insolvency?

Producing direct competition for yourself is never good policy.

How would that be direct competition for yourself? Addition of new product lines is competition for yourself? So, Chevrolet makes the Suburban line of SUVs. When they introduce the Tahoe, they are doing a bad thing? It's not good policy? It's amazing how detached from real life people get about this company and hobby.

Specialist Games created competition for themselves. Was that a bad policy? How about Forge World? Anything that increases revenue is a good idea. It seems to me that a large number of players (at least on this message board) would buy a digital version of the game and still continue the table-top version. Take a look at Vassal 40k, for example. How many people that play that mod have stopped the GW hobby?

Simple truth is, adding to their product line is a good decision. Opening a new revenue stream is not a bad idea. They aren't branching into new areas like, say, Games Workshop Strip Clubs or Grocery Stores...



Ghidorah

Content Josho wrote:To be fair; a commercial computer game emulating Warhammer could very easily work and still be profitable. Slap a £30 tag on the base game, and charge an extra £10 for each codex you wish to use. Obviously, the Space Marines would need to be included in the standard package. We'd all buy it, and I doubt it's going to dent the "real" game. Quite the opposite, as computer gamers love their merchandise...

I'd much prefer something like this to the Dawn of War games, which just don't capture the feel of 40k (too hectic for my tastes, though I happily admit they are fun).



Buuuut, that's the optimist and games student in me getting lost in a fantasy world.

I like this idea, but I think it would be better, (for GW) if they followed a monthly subscription format like World of Warcraft and EVE. They would have a constant flow of money from the subscriber just for playing the game, and they would probably charge for the expansions as well for new content, ie new codexes and units.

You mean like Warhammer Online, and Dark Heresy Online?