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ritualnet wrote:
Grots, Thraka, war bike mob and boyz are all sold out online and no longer available on UK store. Possibly the base size change?

Not sure if people know or not, on phone looking for Ork models

I'm pretty sure grots were rumored to be going on 75mm dreadnought bases, and they're going to be re-releasing them with the 2nd edition metal snotling models.

By the way, I've asked GW about the Kommandos. This is their answer:

"Also on the Kommandos, those are being repackaged and should be back on the webstore again soon!"

the_scotsman wrote:

3) Big trakk with supa scorcha, any kultur. Turn 1 more dakka, turn 2 12 scorcha hits.

But yeah it mostly sucks donkey nuts.

I know you said it sucks, so am not aiming this at you - but taking your example of the Big Trakk with SupaScorcha because LOTs of people dont seem to understand that missing a turn of shooting, then having ONE turn (if it was until end of game it'd be a different story) maximum shooting isn't good.

No Mek Shop:

T1 = 4D3 shots (average 8)
T2 = 4D3 shots (Average 8)
Total shots = 16

Paying 80 points of Mek Shop gets you:

T1 = 0 shots
T2 = 12 shots
Total shots = 12

The SupaScorcha being 4D3 rather than D6 based actually makes it even worse to 0+max rather than average+average. But if you do similar with a 2D6 weapon you'd end up with average being 7+7 = 14, compared to 0+max being 12 so you'd still lose out on average. So either way you're paying for the benefit of a net loss in shots

Not to mention that if you've parked a vehicle at a Mek Shop T1 and chose more Dakka... This gives the opponent a turn to either take out your vehicle before it shots, or to position his forces accordingly to negate you potential juicy targets.

So yeah, it REALLY does suck. You should be PAID to take it.


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the_scotsman wrote:

ritualnet wrote:
Grots, Thraka, war bike mob and boyz are all sold out online and no longer available on UK store. Possibly the base size change?

Not sure if people know or not, on phone looking for Ork models

I'm pretty sure grots were rumored to be going on 75mm dreadnought bases, and they're going to be re-releasing them with the 2nd edition metal snotling models.

IF that meant they also became ammo for the SAG again and could appear inside enemy models for an instant death I'd probably be OK with it

Omg I want the old shock attack gun rules back!
Loved 2nd edition Orky insanity

Ok, just to clear up the whole 1 or 3 extra attacks for the Goff rule on things like Gorkanaughts.

There is a massive difference between Death to the False Emperor and No Mukkin' About.

DttFE allows you to make an additional ATTACK for each hit roll of a 6 vs Imperium units.

NMA allows you to make an additional HIT ROLL for each hit roll of a 6.

As a result, Mortarian using Silence will generate 3 additional hits, due to him gaining +1 attack.
Goffs Gorkanaughts will only generate 1 additional hit, as he is not gaining an additional attack.

I fully expect it to be in the FAQ just for clarity, but, you need to remember that generating an attack is different to generating a hit.

As for the Mek Shop. As crzylgs points out, it is completely pointless. You give up an entire turn for a small advantage in the next turn. It's exactly the same with the Knights terrain piece. Sounds cool to start with, but, you don't see Castellans, Valiants, Errants or Paladins giving up entire shooting phases and restricting their movement just to remove shot randomness the next turn. Also, you'll almost never get to use the mortal wound roll, as, who is going to stand next to it and fight Orks?

Anti horde and screens are going to be a must going forward, especially vs str 5 Goff mobs.

Eyyy, the S5 goffs will probably dominate tournaments. Shame really for the rest of us Ork players who just use boyz to soften the enemy before we send in the explosive trukks!

yeah im kinda surprised that one isnt the 2CP choice and 'Ard Boyz is 1cp.
Given that 5+ save is NOTHING in the grand scheme of things vs going to Str5 on 2-4 30man blobs.

That is assuming something doesnt interrupt doing this multiple times, since unless i missed somethign its not a "phase" so it doesnt have that restriction.

I find the method of using CPs to gain access to Skar boyz and 'Ard boys interesting. It basically suggests that Warbosses have to call in favours and use some of their reputation to get access to the best ladz.

On the Tellyporta strat, just to keep things real interesting I'll throw this into the mix (it's from the comments on the Goff preview, can't be bothered to search right now);

A Facebook User wrote:Will the tellyporta be restricted to second turn as the other similar stratagems are?

Warhammer 40,000 Community team wrote:Not something we've revealed yet, Stephen!

RAW the tellyporta doesn't operate outside of turn 2, as per every other DS strat. Would be very interesting if this were different for some reason.

It certainly seems to lack the "once per game" of other similar strats...

As already discussed, Skarboyz look beast.

I'm not convinced on these new buggies though, they have decent potential output but 8W, T6, 4+? They'll melt.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
On the Tellyporta strat, just to keep things real interesting I'll throw this into the mix (it's from the comments on the Goff preview, can't be bothered to search right now);

A Facebook User wrote:Will the tellyporta be restricted to second turn as the other similar stratagems are?

Warhammer 40,000 Community team wrote:Not something we've revealed yet, Stephen!

I cannot imagine they would allow this. Can you imagine the howls of protest from every quarter?

No doubt genestealers will get something turn 1, because that is their shtick. But orks?

Besides, if it was to be allowed on t1, wouldn't it say so, right there in the strategem? I don't see where else it would go. maybe an army-wide rule that allows orks to ignore all beta rules?

better not be T1 capable.
Otherwise were going right back to the old reserves bs. They changed it to not be allowed turn1, NOBODY should be able to break that change.
GW has done this in the past though so i wouldnt be surprised to see them to it again.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
They changed it to not be allowed turn1, NOBODY should be able to break that change.
GW has done this in the past though so i wouldnt be surprised to see them to it again.

I disagree, I think that genestealers and Marine tacticals in drop pods should

They wouldn't include the restriction in the strat as the limitation is only on matched play and it is written to include open and narrative play. Game modes that I've been told take place somewhere amidst Unicorn onlookers

 Eldarain wrote:
They wouldn't include the restriction in the strat as the limitation is only on matched play and it is written to include open and narrative play. Game modes that I've been told take place somewhere amidst Unicorn onlookers

This +1

I really, really wanted a goffs army but TBH I want boys to be faster, more flexible and more durable. The skarboys thing seems like too much of a good thing.

A full strength Choppa unit on the charge is already terrifying. My question is always how do I get them to the charge.

The Ard boy thing is questionable at best, I will agree. It just simply appeals to me more because of the concept of making a boys unit more durable.

That said, I just don't know how appealing they would be at 7 ppm. Skarboys obviously makes that viable again.

It's strange that teleport spam is going to be the glue to hold that machine together. Boys are kind of....slow and inflexible. Teleportation is such a gimme.

I think I'm going to resist the temptation to make a goffs army of teleporting skarboy Choppas. That probably would have excited me a few years ago.

 TedNugent wrote:

I think I'm going to resist the temptation to make a goffs army of teleporting skarboy Choppas. That probably would have excited me a few years ago.

I feel that most people are going to avoid that tbh since it's not that far off from what we do now. Get a boatload of boyz, jump some of them, slog the rest. This stratagem, while mechanically different, is practically the same. I feel like most people are going to at least try out different options because we're all so damn sick of only taking boyz, boyz, and more boyz. We want trukks, battlewagons, lootas, walkers, MANz (which have received a "generous" point decrease), so we're probably going to be seeing a bunch of that until it's figured out that boyz spam is still the best thing we got.

Some US prices. 45$ for buggies, 40$ for mekshop and codex.

the_scotsman wrote:
Some US prices. 45$ for buggies, 40$ for mekshop and codex.

They just killed sales on the buggies and the workshop with that.

I would have got doubles at $35, whole squadrons if they'd have done 2/$60 boxes, and may have picked up a shop for $30.

But I can't justify that now.

Standard price is standard.

I'll admit, the buggies are new sculpts, and cool ones at that. And I will buy at least one.

I don’t think it’s killed sales.
This was what was realistically to be expected.
I know a lot of people were shouting out lower numbers but it was never going to be that.
This is about right for kits of that size.

I mean, I won't buy a squig buggy simply because the stats are not commensurate to what the points cost probably will be.

But apart from kit size, the sheer variety of kits, complexity and flavor of the sculpts and their unique design makes them desirable.

Yeah, I’ll likely get the bike and the scrap jet but not the entirely optional squig truck? Especially if I can’t optimize it with unit based clan choices.

US$45 puts them at the same price as... Grimaldus.

Grimaldus in AUD$ is.. $72.

AUD$72 buggies? That's more expensive than the already ludicrous AUD$67 Mek Gunz? And that kit has options. These do not.

 skrulnik wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Some US prices. 45$ for buggies, 40$ for mekshop and codex.

They just killed sales on the buggies and the workshop with that.

I would have got doubles at $35, whole squadrons if they'd have done 2/$60 boxes, and may have picked up a shop for $30.

But I can't justify that now.

Welcome to anyone who is playing Idoneth and looking at Allopex?

They're the same price, come in units of 1 but can be fielded in multiples.

Honestly I can stomach that at $45, and it's a lot better than what I was worrying about.

Since I've been saving up for our new codex for a lot longer than I thought I would be, I'm way down for nabbing a few of them. On release day I'm literally going to tear open the codex, figure out the points on the things, and buy the ones I think are actually worth it. Sadly since the Dragsta and the Boosta Blasta are box set exclusive, that limits me to the Wartrike and the Snazzwagon (which I think looks the coolest even if its stats aren't great.)

The squigbuddy, don't get me wrong, is hilarious, but it stands to be the most points costly of the group so I don't think I'm gonna be going for it, and I just don't like the look of the Scrapjet. So it looks like I'm gonna be waiting for the two kit exclusive buggies even longer.

Sigh Skarboys is big.

Way bigger than exploding 6s. *Grumble*

$45 with the standard online 15% discount is $39... which is fine

Even better if you can find an online retailer with 20% discount .
Best I got is minature market with 15% plus free shipping plus 1% store points discount.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
US$45 puts them at the same price as... Grimaldus.

Grimaldus in AUD$ is.. $72.

AUD$72 buggies? That's more expensive than the already ludicrous AUD$67 Mek Gunz? And that kit has options. These do not.

More expensive than Mek guns, more expensive than Land Speeders which are the most directly comparable models, more expensive even than superheavy Armigers.

gungo wrote:
$45 with the standard online 15% discount is $39... which is fine

Even better if you can find an online retailer with 20% discount .
Best I got is minature market with 15% plus free shipping plus 1% store points discount.

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seems like a lot of loops holes to go to just to get it for a little more then you pay for it retail in the UK. I really wanted to support this release because I think orks deserve it and they are my fav army but unless they do a decent start collecting box it might just be a codex for me.... so sad really as I planned on dropping about $400 or so on some new orks... I am not going to do that at these prices though. I am tired of GW's USA price rediculousness. I hate to have to make my stand where it can reflect poorly against my favorite army though.

If US sales don't go well for orks, GW will assume no one likes orks not that their prices are rediculous. Isn't fair, orks deserve a lot better then this. Maybe there will be a buggy in a start collecting set?

im not excited for the buggy price. and even though ive saved up some cash i will most likely wait to have codex in hand and check the points to see if they are worth getting.
this has happened before. i was super excited about the gmorkanaut when it 1st came out, but its price compared to a stompa was crazy (almost twice the plastic but about the same price ). also the rules sucked, so i neglected buying it in 7th edition, i only bought it with high hopes in 8th edition. these buggies can very well be the most awesome units we will ever have but it doesn't seem like that will be the case from what weve seen.
its practices like this that realy supports the claim that GW is the same it always been. "doesn't realy care for orks and only wants to con us out of our money". when that backfires then GW and every non ork player will use use the low sales that ork players dont want new models or good rules or some other ignorant thing. i know im getting a little "whiney" as some would say. but orks are my main faction. being treated poorly is in the GW pedigree, its not illogical to expect the same treatment we have always been given.

also, as far as everyone talking about the mekshop, i think many dont understand how it works. the upgrade the shop gives is a permanent upgrade to the model it was given to. the rule for the mekshop said it could only use its upgrade ability only once a round (so you dont upgrade mutable vehicles at once).
while this might make the shop more appealing, the only thing i think it might be good for is buffing the shooting of a large model like the stompa (if it gets buffed to actually be usable).
the speed modifier doesn't make sense since you have to wait a turn to get it and the model could be benefited more by actually moving that turn.
and also d3 wounds healed is very meh. roll a 1 in hopes to repair that stompa...whoopie.
for 80-pts this thing is very much pointless, might as well bring other things.

i probably;y wont buy the mekshop and the new buggies all at once like i had initially planned, ill wait to later in the edition/year just to say i bought them, cause they look cool. and maybe by that time CA will have buffed them.