Why didn't they put the Emperor in a Dreadnought?

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**Hawkward**

It seems easy enough. The Space Marines do it all the time. And it's not like they didn't have time - he had enough time to repurpose the Golden Throne to serve as a life preservation chamber. Hell, they could have even stuck him in a stasis field if they didn't have the time; they had teleporters and stasis fields at their disposal.

Either the Emperor wanted to be stuck in his throne, or he's an idiot.

**Snarky**

Isn't the Golden Throne also sealing a massive hole into the webway/warp?

**Hawkward**

Snarky wrote:Isn't the Golden Throne also sealing a massive hole into the webway/warp?

If so, why then put the entire psychic weight of millions of sacrificed psykers on that one spot?

That's like trying to seal a leak in a bottle by piledriving it.

**htj**

Short answer? Would have ruined the back-story.

**Laodamia**

Well, the emperor is needed to power the astronomican right?

So, I guess putting him in stasis wouldn't have worked.

Putting him on a dread? Maybe.

But maybe his wounds were simply too grave? Maybe the life-support of a dread sarcophagus wouldn't have been enough?

**samtheking**

I think if we had the dreadnought it would have made the imperium of man really unfair. I mean an pychor dreadnought.

**King Pariah**

If they stuck the emperor in a Dreadnought, and then made him an available apocalypse unit (seriously, he'd be too powerful for anything else), it'd still be like summoning chuck norris upon the field of battle. Yeah sure, everyone's dead, but where's the fun?

**Pilau Rice**

Linky

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/327568.page

**NagothDaCleaver**

1. Keeping the Astronomicon powered.
2. Plugging the Hole in the Webway.
3. He's be far too vulnerable.

**thefarseerofnorthryde**

Hawkward wrote:It seems easy enough. The Space Marines do it all the time. And it's not like they didn't have time - he had enough time to repurpose the Golden Throne to serve as a life preservation chamber. Hell, they could have even stuck him in a stasis field if they didn't have the time; they had teleporters and stasis fields at their disposal.

Either the Emperor wanted to be stuck in his throne, or he's an idiot.

They did put him in a Dreadnought. Near the end of the HH, when they were driving the Chaos Marines back, they put the emperor into a Dreadnought so that he could help

**rabidaskal**

Oh but they did. Its a cockpit; Terra transforms into the rest of the body and Mars into his sword.

**Chaos Lord Gir**

rabidaskal wrote:Oh but they did. Its a cockpit; Terra transforms into the rest of the body and Mars into his sword.

**BluntmanDC**

Hawkward wrote:It seems easy enough. The Space Marines do it all the time. And it's not like they didn't have time - he had enough time to repurpose the Golden Throne to serve as a life preservation chamber. Hell, they could have even stuck him in a stasis field if they didn't have the time; they had teleporters and stasis fields at their disposal.

Either the Emperor wanted to be stuck in his throne, or he's an idiot.

As Pilau Rice already pointed out this is a very recent topic, with nearly the exact same title wording, the search function is your friend.

The Emperor designed the Golden Throne for a reason, to save the IoM.

The Golden Throne is designed to:
1. Seal the gap between warpspace/realspace created by Magnus
2. Give a defined point in warp space that is the astronomican
3. Keep the Emperor alive.

A dreadnought would be unable to remain active for years at a time let alone 10,000 years, saying 'space marines can do it' is pointless because space marines in dreadnaughts are only woken in the direst of senarios or on special occassions and because the Emperor is nothing like a space marine. Having the Emperor in a dreadnaught would be a massive liability, he is much safer in the middle of the most defended system in the entire IoM.

Also a stasis field would be usless as well because it would trap the Emperor at the point of time it was activated, making him useless.

**Noisy_Marine**

A better question: How long before orks loot the Golden Throne and give it more dakka?

**Sothas**

samtheking wrote:I think if we had the dreadnought it would have made the imperium of man really unfair. I mean an pychor dreadnought.

OMG! I know Psyker dreads would be TOTALLY OP. I really hope they don't... wait.. what's that? Oh... huh... Blood Angels you say? Well I'll be...

**Noisy_Marine**

At least they don't have psychic land raiders or storm ravens. That would be even more OP.

**Sothas**

Noisy_Marine wrote:At least they don't have psychic land raiders or storm ravens. That would be even more OP.

Oh I know, like a power that could ignore shaken and stunned. Man that'd be so OP! I'm glad GW doesn't have someone writing dexes with these rediculous ideas.

**TyraelVladinhurst**

Sothas wrote:
Noisy_Marine wrote:At least they don't have psychic land raiders or storm ravens. That would be even more OP.

Oh I know, like a power that could ignore shaken and stunned. Man that'd be so OP! I'm glad GW doesn't have someone writing dexes with these rediculous ideas.

lol.... like the GK codex?

**SilverStar**

Noisy_Marine wrote:A better question: How long before orks loot the Golden Throne and give it more dakka?

You and that quote make me SOOOO happy. Hahaha... I want a looted Golden Throne.

**Valhallan42nd**

Hawkward wrote:It seems easy enough. The Space Marines do it all the time. And it's not like they didn't have time - he had enough time to repurpose the Golden Throne to serve as a life preservation chamber. Hell, they could have even stuck him in a stasis field if they didn't have the time; they had teleporters and stasis fields at their disposal.

Either the Emperor wanted to be stuck in his throne, or he's an idiot.

Because then the story isn't a tragedy. And if there is no tragedy, there is no sense of loss, and the background isn't compelling, and the game doesn't acquire a massive following.

If only cool gak happens in a story, it isn't a story, it's a 12 year-old's D&D campaign. Or Twlight.

**Sothas**

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:
Sothas wrote:
Noisy_Marine wrote:At least they don't have psychic land raiders or storm ravens. That would be even more OP.

Oh I know, like a power that could ignore shaken and stunned. Man that'd be so OP! I'm glad GW doesn't have someone writing dexes with these rediculous ideas.

lol.... like the GK codex?

What? No, don't be rediculous.

**Ascalam**

Everyone knows they don't really exist

**thenoobbomb**

If you say that you want to loot the golden throne, then youre pretty stupid. Deamons everywhere. O, wait. Skulls for the Skull Throne and Mutations for Nurgle

**Pilau Rice**

Noisy_Marine wrote:A better question: How long before orks loot the Golden Throne and give it more dakka?

Well, the Orks kinda have, in a way.

In the Heroes of the Space Marines anthology the short story Headhunted, their is an ork Warboss Weirdboy who has a throne that's powered by the Waagh power of Orks that are attached to it. If the Orks got the idea from the Golden Throne I don't know, but it's got similarities between the to.

**purplefood**

thenoobbomb wrote:If you say that you want to loot the golden throne, then youre pretty stupid. Deamons everywhere. O, wait. Skulls for the Skull Throne and Mutations for Nurgle

Yeah but it'll be awesome.

**Ascalam**

That's the human side of it anyway

I haven't come across a single piece of codex/rulebook fluff that gives an alien opinion on the subject.

I'm not up on black library fluff as much, and don't consider it canon anyway (if you do that's cool, but i don't

)

Anyhow, who sez they have to take the Big E out of it to loot it

Just hook him up to the powah of da WAAAGH and see what happens

Orks would have no problem with a chaos-overrun universe

More 'ard stuff to krump

Orks are refreshingly simple like that

**Sothas**

Ascalam wrote:
I'm not up on black library fluff as much, and don't consider it canon anyway (if you do that's cool, but i don't )

Hate to burst your bubble, but just because you don't consider it fluff doesn't make it not fluff. Just because you havn't seen it doesn't make it not there.

This is like saying that the moon doesn't have rocks on it because you've never been there. It's made of cheese DUH!

**Ascalam**

Which is why i said (in the quote that you clipped from my post no less ) that if you do it's cool.

I don't. If its not in a codex or the rulebook then FOR ME it isn't canon, especially given the tendency of the multiple writers in BL to contradict each other or just plain ignore established fluff to go on their own wierd tangents. If we went by the standard that some of these writers go a single marine tac-squad could clear whole worlds with no casualties.

I didn't say that it isn't canon for the community at large (although i think there was something about it being considered an aternate universe from GW at some point) but that i personally don't consider spinoff books to be canon to the game fluff.

A similar example

Would you consider the Transformers or Spiderman movies to be canon to the comic book fluff universe? Most would say no, some would say yes.

Regardless, there still isn't a non-human perspective on what the humans believe the Emperor is doing (holding back the daemons) that i know of. If you have one i'll happily read the quote

**Gridge**

Ascalam wrote: Which is why i said (in the quote that you clipped from my post no less ) that if you do it's cool.

I don't. If its not in a codex or the rulebook then FOR ME it isn't canon, especially given the tendency of the multiple writers in BL to contradict each other or just plain ignore established fluff to go on their own wierd tangents. If we went by the standard that some of these writers go a single marine tac-squad could clear whole worlds with no casualties.

I didn't say that it isn't canon for the community at large (although i think there was something about it being considered an aternate universe from GW at some point) but that i personally don't consider spinoff books to be canon to the game fluff.

A similar example

Would you consider the Transformers or Spiderman movies to be canon to the comic book fluff universe? Most would say no, some would say yes.

Regardless, there still isn't a non-human perspective on what the humans believe the Emperor is doing (holding back the daemons) that i know of. If you have one i'll happily read the quote

Though I agree with your point of inconsistency within BL's works, GW itself isn't much better and if we went only on what is written in the various codex and BRB we would have a pretty undeveloped universe with far, far more questions than answers and with very little information to even speculate. I do realize, though, that 40K is a system for tabletop battle and not a roleplaying game so background can be kept sparse and directed only at keeping the flavor of the setting. Also, I doubt BL has free reign to do whatever they wish with the IP without GW being involved in the process of developing the storyline.

**Pilau Rice**

As far as I know GW's stance on fluff is that it's all fluff. It's just different versions of the same stories being told from different perspectives.

This was from Marc Gascoigne on the matter pulled from B&C

("Marc Gascoigne - The Black Library and Black Flame Publisher")
Keep in mind Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 are worlds where half truths, lies, propaganda, politics, legends and myths exist. The absolute truth which is implied when you talk about "canonical background" will never be known because of this. Everything we know about these worlds is from the viewpoints of people in them which are as a result incomplete and even sometimes incorrect. The truth is mutable, debatable and lost as the victors write the history...

Here's our standard line: Yes it's all official, but remember that we're reporting back from a time where stories aren't always true, or at least 100% accurate. if it has the 40K logo on it, it exists in the 40K universe. Or it was a legend that may well have happened. Or a rumour that may or may not have any truth behind it.

Let's put it another way: anything with a 40K logo on it is as official as any Codex... and at least as crammed full of rumours, distorted legends and half-truths.

I think the real problem for me, and I speak for no other, is that the topic as a "big question" doesn't matter. It's all as true as everything else, and all just as false/half-remembered/sort-of-true. The answer you are seeking is "Yes and no" or perhaps "Sometimes". And for me, that's the end of it.

Now, ask us some specifics, eg can Black Templars spit acid and we can answer that one, and many others. But again note that answer may well be "sometimes" or "it varies" or "depends".

But is it all true? Yes and no. Even though some of it is plainly contradictory? Yes and no. Do we deliberately contradict, retell with differences? Yes we do. Is the newer the stuff the truer it is? Yes and no. In some cases is it true that the older stuff is the truest? Yes and no. Maybe and sometimes. Depends and it varies.

It's a decaying universe without GPS and galaxy-wide communication, where precious facts are clung to long after they have been changed out of all recognition. Read A Canticle for Liebowitz by Walter M Miller, about monks toiling to hold onto facts in the aftermath of a nucelar war; that nails it for me.

Sorry, too much splurge here. Not meant to sound stroppy.

To attempt answer the initial question: What is GW's definition of canon? Perhaps we don't have one. Sometimes and maybe. Or perhaps we do and I'm not telling you.