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This year is the 150th Anniversary of the start of the US Civil War. This article below is a pretty succinct synopsis of the causes and myths surrounding it:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths-about-why-the-south-seceded/2011/01/03/ABHr6jD_story.html
By James W. Loewen
One hundred fifty years after the Civil War began, we’re still fighting it — or at least fighting over its history. I’ve polled thousands of high school history teachers and spoken about the war to audiences across the country, and there is little agreement even about why the South seceded. Was it over slavery? States’ rights? Tariffs and taxes?

As the nation begins to commemorate the anniversaries of the war’s various battles — from Fort Sumter to Appomattox — let’s first dispense with some of the more prevalent myths about why it all began.

1. The South seceded over states’ rights.

Confederate states did claim the right to secede, but no state claimed to be seceding for that right. In fact, Confederates opposed states’ rights — that is, the right of Northern states not to support slavery.

On Dec. 24, 1860, delegates at South Carolina’s secession convention adopted a “Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union.” It noted “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the institution of slavery” and protested that Northern states had failed to “fulfill their constitutional obligations” by interfering with the return of fugitive slaves to bondage. Slavery, not states’ rights, birthed the Civil War.

South Carolina was further upset that New York no longer allowed “slavery transit.” In the past, if Charleston gentry wanted to spend August in the Hamptons, they could bring their cook along. No longer — and South Carolina’s delegates were outraged. In addition, they objected that New England states let black men vote and tolerated abolitionist societies. According to South Carolina, states should not have the right to let their citizens assemble and speak freely when what they said threatened slavery.

Other seceding states echoed South Carolina. “Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery — the greatest material interest of the world,” proclaimed Mississippi in its own secession declaration, passed Jan. 9, 1861. “Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of the commerce of the earth. . . . A blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization.”

The South’s opposition to states’ rights is not surprising. Until the Civil War, Southern presidents and lawmakers had dominated the federal government. The people in power in Washington always oppose states’ rights. Doing so preserves their own.

2. Secession was about tariffs and taxes.

During the nadir of post-civil-war race relations — the terrible years after 1890 when town after town across the North became all-white “sundown towns” and state after state across the South prevented African Americans from voting — “anything but slavery” explanations of the Civil War gained traction. To this day Confederate sympathizers successfully float this false claim, along with their preferred name for the conflict: the War Between the States. At the infamous Secession Ball in South Carolina, hosted in December by the Sons of Confederate Veterans, “the main reasons for secession were portrayed as high tariffs and Northern states using Southern tax money to build their own infrastructure,” The Washington Post reported.

These explanations are flatly wrong. High tariffs had prompted the Nullification Controversy in 1831-33, when, after South Carolina demanded the right to nullify federal laws or secede in protest, President Andrew Jackson threatened force. No state joined the movement, and South Carolina backed down. Tariffs were not an issue in 1860, and Southern states said nothing about them. Why would they? Southerners had written the tariff of 1857, under which the nation was functioning. Its rates were lower than at any point since 1816.

3. Most white Southerners didn’t own slaves, so they wouldn’t secede for slavery.

Indeed, most white Southern families had no slaves. Less than half of white Mississippi households owned one or more slaves, for example, and that proportion was smaller still in whiter states such as Virginia and Tennessee. It is also true that, in areas with few slaves, most white Southerners did not support secession. West Virginia seceded from Virginia to stay with the Union, and Confederate troops had to occupy parts of eastern Tennessee and northern Alabama to hold them in line.

However, two ideological factors caused most Southern whites, including those who were not slave-owners, to defend slavery. First, Americans are wondrous optimists, looking to the upper class and expecting to join it someday. In 1860, many subsistence farmers aspired to become large slave-owners. So poor white Southerners supported slavery then, just as many low-income people support the extension of George W. Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy now.

Second and more important, belief in white supremacy provided a rationale for slavery. As the French political theorist Montesquieu observed wryly in 1748: “It is impossible for us to suppose these creatures [enslaved Africans] to be men; because allowing them to be men, a suspicion would follow that we ourselves are not Christians.” Given this belief, most white Southerners — and many Northerners, too — could not envision life in black-majority states such as South Carolina and Mississippi unless blacks were in chains. Georgia Supreme Court Justice Henry Benning, trying to persuade the Virginia Legislature to leave the Union, predicted race war if slavery was not protected. “The consequence will be that our men will be all exterminated or expelled to wander as vagabonds over a hostile earth, and as for our women, their fate will be too horrible to contemplate even in fancy.” Thus, secession would maintain not only slavery but the prevailing ideology of white supremacy as well.

4. Abraham Lincoln went to war to end slavery.

Since the Civil War did end slavery, many Americans think abolition was the Union’s goal. But the North initially went to war to hold the nation together. Abolition came later.

On Aug. 22, 1862, President Lincoln wrote a letter to the New York Tribune that included the following passage: “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.”

However, Lincoln’s own anti-slavery sentiment was widely known at the time. In the same letter, he went on: “I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.” A month later, Lincoln combined official duty and private wish in his preliminary Emancipation Proclamation.

White Northerners’ fear of freed slaves moving north then caused Republicans to lose the Midwest in the congressional elections of November 1862.

Gradually, as Union soldiers found help from black civilians in the South and black recruits impressed white units with their bravery, many soldiers — and those they wrote home to — became abolitionists. By 1864, when Maryland voted to end slavery, soldiers’ and sailors’ votes made the difference.

5. The South couldn’t have made it long as a slave society.

Slavery was hardly on its last legs in 1860. That year, the South produced almost 75 percent of all U.S. exports. Slaves were worth more than all the manufacturing companies and railroads in the nation. No elite class in history has ever given up such an immense interest voluntarily. Moreover, Confederates eyed territorial expansion into Mexico and Cuba. Short of war, who would have stopped them — or forced them to abandon slavery?

To claim that slavery would have ended of its own accord by the mid-20th century is impossible to disprove but difficult to accept. In 1860, slavery was growing more entrenched in the South. Unpaid labor makes for big profits, and the Southern elite was growing ever richer. Freeing slaves was becoming more and more difficult for their owners, as was the position of free blacks in the United States, North as well as South. For the foreseeable future, slavery looked secure. Perhaps a civil war was required to end it.

As we commemorate the sesquicentennial of that war, let us take pride this time — as we did not during the centennial — that secession on slavery’s behalf failed.

Sociologist James W. Loewen is the author of “Lies My Teacher Told Me” and co-editor, with Edward Sebesta, of “The Confederate and Neo-Confederate Reader.”

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In your base, ignoring your logic.

AP US history taught me the majority of that already. The part about the state's rights is iffy though.
   
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In your base, ignoring your logic.

We don't like fighting each other as much as other countries.

We fought the French, English, English people in Canada, the Germans(hessians), and Native Americans before we were an official country.

Afterwards we fought the Spanish and the Mexicans and then we fought ourselves because other countries were not as 1337 as us.

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I thought the Skrulls caused it? Luckily we had Captain Union, cleverly disguised as mild mannered William Tecumseh Sherman to save the day.

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No, Steel Man and Captain Union had an argument about whether or not the states had the right to know about their real identities.
   
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This article is silly.

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What's silly about it? There are a lot of historical revisionists out there who actively endeavor to pretend and to convince others that slavery was not the primary cause of seccession, and thus for the war.

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The article is silly because it attempts to saddle racism on the South.

Sure, the Civil War was indeed about slavery, but by extension. Many Abolitionists of the time wanted the slaves freed not because they believed in equality of man, but rather because they believed that slavery was an infectious disease that poisoned the hearts of good and upstanding white men.

The article, more specifically the later points, does do a good job of pointing out that the North's initial aim at the onset of the war was not to free the slaves, but rather to keep the Union together. The South seceded from the Union because, as a result of a schism in the Democratic Party, Abraham Lincoln was elected without winning a single southern state, nor all the northern ones. This lead the slave holding South to believe that its largest asset, the largest one in the country, would soon dissipate and from that point on the north could "lord over the South." Sectional fears of "lording over" one another can be traced back to the revolution and do not stem just from slavery, but also points such as assumption and Hamiltonian fiscal policies.

In the end, the North was every bit as racist on the matter as was the South. Granted the North didn't own slaves, but nevertheless it didn't stop New Yorkers from beating and killing blacks during the early stages of the draft. Remember, up until Atlanta, the war was very unpopular in the North and Lincoln was riding the line of public opinion like a tight rope.

In summary, the article comes off in such a way as to put the albatross of racism on the South, when in fact the North could be argued as being every bit as racist and still is. The deep south is not the only place in America that harbors racism. One need only point to the other thread in this forum about the Waldorf-Astoria.

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Slavery was a factor in the Civil War. Sectional strife occurs because of the different directions each portion of the nation headed in. You also have to consider the regional religious divides along with cultural and political factors.

Another spin on the slavery issue is in regards to how others saw slavery.

Robert E. Lee, the general in charge of the infamous Army of Norhern Virginia from 1862 to 1865 sided with his state at the onset of the war. His stance on slavery is reflected here in this letter to his wife in the twilight of the year 1856:

The steamer also brought the President's message to Cong; & the reports of the various heads of Depts; the proceedings of Cong: &c &c. So that we are now assured, that the Govt: is in operation, & the Union in existence, not that we had any fears to the Contrary, but it is Satisfactory always to have facts to go on. They restrain Supposition & Conjecture, Confirm faith, & bring Contentment: I was much pleased with the President's message & the report of the Secy of War, the only two documents that have reached us entire. Of the others synopsis [sic] have only arrived. The views of the Pres: of the Systematic & progressive efforts of certain people of the North, to interfere with & change the domestic institutions of the South, are truthfully & faithfully expressed. The Consequences of their plans & purposes are also clearly set forth, & they must also be aware, that their object is both unlawful & entirely foreign to them & their duty; for which they are irresponsible & unaccountable; & Can only be accomplished by them through the agency of a Civil & Servile war. In this enlightened age, there are few I believe, but what will acknowledge, that slavery as an institution, is a moral & political evil in any Country. It is useless to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it however a greater evil to the white man than to the black race, & while my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more strong for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, socially & physically. The painful discipline they are undergoing, is necessary for their instruction as a race, & I hope will prepare & lead them to better things. How long their subjugation may be necessary is known & ordered by a wise Merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild & melting influence of Christianity, than the storms & tempests of fiery Controversy. This influence though slow, is sure. The doctrines & miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years, to Convert but a small part of the human race, & even among Christian nations, what gross errors still exist! While we see the Course of the final abolition of human Slavery is onward, & we give it the aid of our prayers & all justifiable means in our power, we must leave the progress as well as the result in his hands who sees the end; who Chooses to work by slow influences; & with whom two thousand years are but as a Single day. Although the Abolitionist must know this, & must See that he has neither the right or power of operating except by moral means & suasion, & if he means well to the slave, he must not Create angry feelings in the Master; that although he may not approve the mode which it pleases Providence to accomplish its purposes, the result will nevertheless be the same; that the reasons he gives for interference in what he has no Concern, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbors when we disapprove their Conduct; Still I fear he will persevere in his evil Course. Is it not strange that the descendants of those pilgrim fathers who Crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom of opinion, have always proved themselves intolerant of the Spiritual liberty of others?


In summation, Robert E. Lee believed in the rule of law and the intent of religion in governing slavery. Morally, he saw slavery as wrong, but abided by it because he believed it was a design of God for one set of people to be enslaved as to enlighten them, and that the laws of the United States should protect the institution so long as it existed. In short, slavery would benefit those who were enslaved and would end gradually, eventually assuming Chrisitan values kicked in and God willed it.

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Manstein wrote:The article is silly because it attempts to saddle racism on the South.


No it doesn't. Maybe you should read it again. It barely even (if at all) mentions racism. It talks about slavery, and the laws, and the actions and words of delegates, but I don't see any claims that the North wasn't racist.

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The article does paint the Southerners as supporting slavery in general. Thats not accurate. The governing class did. 'Rich man's war poor man's fight' was a phrase used on both sides, and your average rebel was a conscript/militia guy. Choice was not an option.

Of course I'd argue much the same on the Northern side. Ignore the blah blah morals. The Irish that stepped off the boat and were given in the nonvoluntary option of picking up a rifle weren't fighting for morals and couldn't give a damn one way or the other. The occasioinal riot demonstrated that well.


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Jeez I hate that crap.

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edit: Just because you were being curt and dismissive doesn't necessarily mean I have to reply in kind.

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Ahtman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Jeez I hate that crap.


Research? Using historical documents? Reading? We know.


Well... yea, but thats a different topic isn't it Ahtman.

Historian William C. Davis labels many of the myths surrounding the war as "frivolous" and included attempts to rename the war by "Confederate partisans" which continue to this day. He claims names such as the War of Northern Aggression and the expression coined by Alexander Stephens, War Between the States, were just attempts to deny that the Civil War was an actual civil war.[25]


Exactly. Call it what it is. Be proud of your ancestors if they are worth being proud of. But all this South shall rise again we wus poh innocents in a holy crusade crap is crap. The average Johnny Reb was fighting because he had to or because his lands were being invaded. But the ledership were fighting to maintain their economic and political position. They lost and should have kissed the ground every day that persons of a stronger bent didn't come to power and exterminate them like they should have been.



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Ahtman wrote:edit: Just because you were being curt and dismissive doesn't necessarily mean I have to reply in kind.

See above, not dismissive. What I meant to say is that I hate the revisionist arguments portrayed. I forget about that nonsense and get really pissed off when reminded about the stupidity of it.

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Frazzled wrote:See above, not dismissive. What I meant to say is that I hate the revisionist arguments portrayed. I forget about that nonsense and get really pissed off when reminded about the stupidity of it.


So you agree with Lost Cuase? After all, it is debunking post-war revisionism.

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Ahtman wrote:
Frazzled wrote:See above, not dismissive. What I meant to say is that I hate the revisionist arguments portrayed. I forget about that nonsense and get really pissed off when reminded about the stupidity of it.


So you agree with Lost Cuase? After all, it is debunking post-war revisionism.

Head...hurts... to be clear I agree that the revisionist arguments are nonsense and posted a quote from the bottom of the thread you mentioned which politely says that better than I can put forth.

I have nothing against reenactors and find civil war weaponry/equipment to be kewl. But thats it.

Fun fact. It could be argued that Custer saved the Union. After being chastened by Lee Stuart indeed attempted to hit the rear of the union lines at gettysberg but was stopped enroute by a foolhardy charge from the newly minted general Custer. Despite initial odds of 10 to 1 he blunted the advance sufficiently to allow other cavalry to arrive and forced Stuart to retreat. Had he not the forces in the center potentially could have been hit by pincer move-Pickett in front and Stuart behind, causing panic and a potential split of the union line.

Pickett's charge was stupid because the other two strikes had already been blunted and he was still ordered to attack. Viva Custer?

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Frazzled wrote:Exactly. Call it what it is. Be proud of your ancestors if they are worth being proud of. But all this South shall rise again we wus poh innocents in a holy crusade crap is crap. The average Johnny Reb was fighting because he had to or because his lands were being invaded. But the ledership were fighting to maintain their economic and political position. They lost and should have kissed the ground every day that persons of a stronger bent didn't come to power and exterminate them like they should have been.

I don't see a problem with calling it something other than a civil war, since that is a term (usually) reserved for opposing forces fighting for control over a shared territory. The South wasn't fighting for control over the US, they were fighting for separation. "War for Southern Independence" or "War of the Rebellion" are more appropriate terms.

If you want to insist on calling it the "Civil War," then how was the Revolutionary War any different?

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oh cool there's an article about it
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PBZ/is_2_84/ai_116732441/

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Frazzled wrote:oh cool there's an article about it
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That is pretty cool, might have to pick up the book.

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biccat wrote:I don't see a problem with calling it something other than a civil war, since that is a term (usually) reserved for opposing forces fighting for control over a shared territory.


A civil war is a war between organized groups within the same nation state or republic,[1] or, less commonly, between two countries created from a formerly-united nation state.[2] The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region, or to change government policies.[1] The term is a calque of the Latin bellum civile which was used to refer to the various civil wars of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC.


–noun
a war between political factions or regions within the same country.


— n
war between parties, factions, or inhabitants of different regions within the same nation


: a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country

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There is a commonly accepted name, and then there are other names to which other scholars and peoples call a war.

America Revolutionary War
American War of independence
American Revolution
Revolutionary War

Wiki denotes four different ways to which the war is named that started the path to the United States of America.

Each one means something different and depending on circumstances (including nationality, culture, educational background), one of these titles will be foremost over the others to a particular person.

   
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WarOne wrote:America Revolutionary War
American War of independence
American Revolution
Revolutionary War


Each of those is extremely similar, are interchangeable, and used in all classrooms teaching the subject. There is little similarity between The American Civil War and The War of Northern Aggression, and only one of those is taught in one specific geographic region.

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Ahtman wrote: There is little similarity between The American Civil War and The War of Northern Aggression, and only one of those is taught in one specific geographic region.


And where would that be? I schooled in both Louisiana and Mississippi and have only ever heard it referred to as the "War of Northern Aggression" outside of academic areas.

Then again, I went to private schools.

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Platuan4th wrote:
Ahtman wrote: There is little similarity between The American Civil War and The War of Northern Aggression, and only one of those is taught in one specific geographic region.


And where would that be? I schooled in both Louisiana and Mississippi and have only ever heard it referred to as the "War of Northern Aggression" outside of academic areas.

Then again, I went to private schools.


I grew up in Louisiana as well and went to public school. Never heard it called the War of Northern Aggression outside of books or intellectual discussions.

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