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If you have Vulkan He'stan in your army and a Land Raider Redeemer, do the flamestorm cannons count as twin-linked? I know this sounds like a stupid question as it is not a 'flamer' but one of my friends said that it was all flamer template weapons that get effected by this and therefore it is twin-linked.

No, it is not all template weapons. The rules lists all the weapons affected.

No, it is explicitly clear that Vulkan only affects Flamers and Heavy Flamers ¬¬

ONLY flamers and heavy flamers. It clearly says those words in the rules

Valkyrie wrote:No, it is explicitly clear that Vulkan only affects Flamers and Heavy Flamers ¬¬

What about Meltaguns, Multi Meltas and Thunder Hammers?

Reread the entry for Vulkan. It lists all the affected weapons.

Huh, is it that time again...

::sets watch::

If it said all (teardrop) template weapons you would be right. However, it doesn't... so...

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:No, it is explicitly clear that Vulkan only affects Flamers and Heavy Flamers ¬¬

What about Meltaguns, Multi Meltas and Thunder Hammers?

The other posters were speaking in the context of flamer-type weapons.

Ask your opponent to see his codex if you don't own one yourself. Vulkan's rules very clearly state which weapons are affected.

Cheexsta wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:No, it is explicitly clear that Vulkan only affects Flamers and Heavy Flamers ¬¬

What about Meltaguns, Multi Meltas and Thunder Hammers?

The other posters were speaking in the context of flamer-type weapons.

Ask your opponent to see his codex if you don't own one yourself. Vulkan's rules very clearly state which weapons are affected.

I know the rules state flamers and heavy flamers, as I said above in my first post, but a 'flamer' can be anything that uses the mostly known as 'flamer template' weapons and that is why I was asking this, and no I don't own a Land Raider Redeemer

So by that logic the CSM power "Wind of Chaos" is also a flamer as it uses the template as well?

Same for the Doom Siren?

i'm sure there are other non-flamer in other armies that use the template as well.

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Cheexsta wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:No, it is explicitly clear that Vulkan only affects Flamers and Heavy Flamers ¬¬

What about Meltaguns, Multi Meltas and Thunder Hammers?

The other posters were speaking in the context of flamer-type weapons.

Ask your opponent to see his codex if you don't own one yourself. Vulkan's rules very clearly state which weapons are affected.

but a 'flamer' can be anything that uses the mostly known as 'flamer template' weapons

Umm, no it doesn't?

How about the Flamer/Melta part in a Combi-weapon?
I'd say it's twin-linked...

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Cheexsta wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:No, it is explicitly clear that Vulkan only affects Flamers and Heavy Flamers ¬¬

What about Meltaguns, Multi Meltas and Thunder Hammers?

The other posters were speaking in the context of flamer-type weapons.

Ask your opponent to see his codex if you don't own one yourself. Vulkan's rules very clearly state which weapons are affected.

I know the rules state flamers and heavy flamers, as I said above in my first post, but a 'flamer' can be anything that uses the mostly known as 'flamer template' weapons and that is why I was asking this, and no I don't own a Land Raider Redeemer

No the proper term for the weapons are "Template" weapons, not "Flamer Template"; I cannot find any rules in the brb for "Flamer Template" weapons.

Flamer is a Specific weapon, just Like Boltgun. Just because a Flamestorm has the Same range(Template) does not make it the same weapon.

Thanks, My blood is now all angried up. Stop making junk up just to try and finagle some justification why a specific weapon not on a list of specific weapons get the benefit.

Motorhead: Yes the Flamer/Melta parts of Combi weapons do get T-L; because they can fire the specified weapons(once).

Kommissar Kel wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Cheexsta wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Valkyrie wrote:No, it is explicitly clear that Vulkan only affects Flamers and Heavy Flamers ¬¬

What about Meltaguns, Multi Meltas and Thunder Hammers?

The other posters were speaking in the context of flamer-type weapons.

Ask your opponent to see his codex if you don't own one yourself. Vulkan's rules very clearly state which weapons are affected.

I know the rules state flamers and heavy flamers, as I said above in my first post, but a 'flamer' can be anything that uses the mostly known as 'flamer template' weapons and that is why I was asking this, and no I don't own a Land Raider Redeemer

No the proper term for the weapons are "Template" weapons, not "Flamer Template"; I cannot find any rules in the brb for "Flamer Template" weapons.

Flamer is a Specific weapon, just Like Boltgun. Just because a Flamestorm has the Same range(Template) does not make it the same weapon.

Thanks, My blood is now all angried up. Stop making junk up just to try and finagle some justification why a specific weapon not on a list of specific weapons get the benefit.

Motorhead: Yes the Flamer/Melta parts of Combi weapons do get T-L; because they can fire the specified weapons(once).

I'm not making Junk up? I'm simply asking a question about what my friend said?

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:a 'flamer' can be anything that uses the mostly known as 'flamer template' weapons

This would be making junk up; a Flamer is a Flamer, just like a Heavy Flamer is a Heavy Flamer, and a Meltagun is a Meltagun.

There is a list of Specific weapons; that is what benefits, nothing more, nothing less.

There is no such thing as a Flamer Template; there is only a Template Weapon, which is any weapon with a range of "template".

Also by the time you made the above statement, the question had been fully answered; you then made a wildly inaccurate statement with no basis on rules.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:a 'flamer' can be anything that uses the mostly known as 'flamer template' weapons

This would be making junk up; a Flamer is a Flamer, just like a Heavy Flamer is a Heavy Flamer, and a Meltagun is a Meltagun.

There is a list of Specific weapons; that is what benefits, nothing more, nothing less.

There is no such thing as a Flamer Template; there is only a Template Weapon, which is any weapon with a range of "template".

But i am not the one that is saying this, I am simply telling you what my friend is telling my and this is why he believes they should get the benefit, I even stated in my OP that i agree with what you are saying, I just have little experience with SM and did not know [/b]EXACTLY[b] what the rules mentioned

Well, now you have a reply for him.

Edit: you know what, since your friend is pulling that kind of garbage with the Flamer; I will add something not entirely related so you do not get cheated:

Special issue ammunition only, ONLY, works in boltguns, or the Boltgun Portions of Combi-weapons; they will not work on bolt Pistols, Storm Bolters(even though fluff-wise they use the same ammo), nor Heavy bolters(the Scouts HB can fire a hellfire Shell, but only for Scouts).

Kommissar Kel wrote:Well, now you have a reply for him.

Edit: you know what, since your friend is pulling that kind of garbage with the Flamer; I will add something not entirely related so you do not get cheated:

Special issue ammunition only, ONLY, works in boltguns, or the Boltgun Portions of Combi-weapons; they will not work on bolt Pistols, Storm Bolters(even though fluff-wise they use the same ammo), nor Heavy bolters(the Scouts HB can fire a hellfire Shell, but only for Scouts).

To be fair I have caught him cheating a few times with his Tyranids, he has placed Hive Tyrants in Mycetic Spores and not always taken Instinctive Behaviour, and I knew that anyway, but thanks for telling me :L

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:Well, now you have a reply for him.

Edit: you know what, since your friend is pulling that kind of garbage with the Flamer; I will add something not entirely related so you do not get cheated:

Special issue ammunition only, ONLY, works in boltguns, or the Boltgun Portions of Combi-weapons; they will not work on bolt Pistols, Storm Bolters(even though fluff-wise they use the same ammo), nor Heavy bolters(the Scouts HB can fire a hellfire Shell, but only for Scouts).

To be fair I have caught him cheating a few times with his Tyranids, he has placed Hive Tyrants in Mycetic Spores and not always taken Instinctive Behaviour, and I knew that anyway, but thanks for telling me :L

Jeeze... are you sure you want to keep playing with him?

infinite_array wrote:

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote:

Kommissar Kel wrote:Well, now you have a reply for him.

Edit: you know what, since your friend is pulling that kind of garbage with the Flamer; I will add something not entirely related so you do not get cheated:

Special issue ammunition only, ONLY, works in boltguns, or the Boltgun Portions of Combi-weapons; they will not work on bolt Pistols, Storm Bolters(even though fluff-wise they use the same ammo), nor Heavy bolters(the Scouts HB can fire a hellfire Shell, but only for Scouts).

To be fair I have caught him cheating a few times with his Tyranids, he has placed Hive Tyrants in Mycetic Spores and not always taken Instinctive Behaviour, and I knew that anyway, but thanks for telling me :L

Jeeze... are you sure you want to keep playing with him?

I had to play him in the GW leage we are doing, and I did lose because of it, he is one of those people who won't back down and thinks he's always right, even the GW staff can't get him to change his ways

And after his nids he was talking about the TL flamestorm cannon and that's why I wanted confirmation to check

i have a friedn who does this kind of thing. he will read the rules and interpret them his way and unless you can PROOVE he is wrong completely, he will keep on going.

My most recent arguement was he said that SMs dont take any wounds for after winning an assault because it is not listed under ATSKNF or Fearless. Took me half an hour to point him atthe No Retreat entry in the rulebook. /sigh.

motorhead1945 wrote:How about the Flamer/Melta part in a Combi-weapon?
I'd say it's twin-linked...

yes, its Twinlinked because its still on Vulkan's list.

a Combi-weapon is a Bolter and another named weapon. this named weapon simply has the one shot rule.


a Combi-flamer is still fired as a Flamer, and as such is TL by Vulkan. same for a Combi-melta.


the Flamestorm cannons are not on Vulkans list(regardless of how the fluff would make sense) so they do not benifit.


besides, you will be wounding on 2s most of the time. do you really need to reroll to wound?

Grey Templar wrote:besides, you will be wounding on 2s most of the time. do you really need to reroll to wound?

If you have seen my rolling, then of course :L

Praxiss wrote:My most recent arguement was he said that SMs dont take any wounds for after winning an assault because it is not listed under ATSKNF or Fearless. Took me half an hour to point him atthe No Retreat entry in the rulebook. /sigh.

No one ever takes wounds after Winning a close combat.

So your friend was absolutely correct.

SM will, however, take wounds under "no retreat" if they lose the combat, and then get caught with the Sweeping advance.

Kommissar Kel wrote:

Praxiss wrote:My most recent arguement was he said that SMs dont take any wounds for after winning an assault because it is not listed under ATSKNF or Fearless. Took me half an hour to point him atthe No Retreat entry in the rulebook. /sigh.

No one ever takes wounds after Winning a close combat.

So your friend was absolutely correct.

SM will, however, take wounds under "no retreat" if they lose the combat, and then get caught with the Sweeping advance.

I think what he means here is after he wins the combat against the SM player and him saying that they dont take wounds for winning.

But yes, it is worded oddly

What about the Avatar? Is he immune to a Flamestorm cannon?

Vulcan and the Avatar have the exact same wording; only that the Avatar has a FAQ entry saying that flamers and Meltas mean all flame and melta based weaponry he is immune to.

No, the Avatar is not immune to the Flamestorm cannon,

unless the FAQ says something.


the main problem with making him immune would be that you would have to let Vulkan twinlink it.

Aeon wrote:What about the Avatar? Is he immune to a Flamestorm cannon?

Vulcan and the Avatar have the exact same wording; only that the Avatar has a FAQ entry saying that flamers and Meltas mean all flame and melta based weaponry he is immune to.

unfortunately "flame based weaponry" doesn't mean anything is Rules terms(Thanks again for nothing GW).

melta weapons would be anything that has the Melta rule.

Grey Templar wrote:No, the Avatar is not immune to the Flamestorm cannon,

unless the FAQ says something.


the main problem with making him immune would be that you would have to let Vulkan twinlink it.

He's been FAQ'd to be immune to flamestorm cannons, infernus pistols (which was redundant) and some other stuff.


EDIT: Whoops, looks like I confused Inferno Cannons with Flamestorm Cannons. The Avatar can still be wounded by FSCs. Silly if you ask me, but them's the rules.