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These two armies seem very similar in tactics to me aka swarm tactics but which army is more competitive? I haven't really taken a look at the ork codex, so how do they differ?

So 60 people have looked at this and none of them have an opinion?

Orks are tougher and cheaper. Tyranids are quicker and can kill tougher things.

Thats it really. Not much too comment on.

I'd go with Nids.

Orkz have some good options going for them but Nids have a stronger codex imo.

both are strong armies. I'd say roks have more variety but that yranids are stonger if you plan to run them as a horde army

Go with orks. I see a lot of nids and would love for more ork players to face! I might actually start an ork army once my IG is solid.

Buy or borrow both codexes and see which one you like more!

-cgmckenzie

Both can be competitive. Although I usually see Ork armies dominate more often than Nid armies largely due to the effectiveness of simply getting Ork Boyz hordes and running them across the field under a KFF.

I've noticed that Nids require a bit more finesse to play, primarily due to the low toughness and overall fragility of their more basic troopers. Nids also seem to have more options for flanking, and deepstriking.

I've been playing nids for a few months and I've noticed that they require a lot more strategy than most armies. I like the fluff and love the models, but their rules really are lacking when compared to other 5th ed armies. I assumed that even though the Orks general have a low bs they have tanks, transports and template weapons which could help them in terms of playability.

You're correct, Nids require a lot of finesse to use correctly.

Nids are a perfect example of an army where you can give an inexperienced player a really powerful list of units, but the inexperienced player will get his butt handed to him if he uses it wrong.

Well I guess really the perfect example of this would be more Eldar or Dark Eldar, but you get my point.

Nids require more tactics on the field with a lot of their units.

For Orks, a lot of your tactics come from designing your army and picking units that compliment each other well. Once you get them on the field though, it's usually a straightforward CHARGE straight at the opponent with whatever you've chosen.

I don't think either army is "better". I have a friend who plays Nids and he has a lot of fun with using different tactics with them.

Personally, I love my Orks. They're so flexible, you can make many, many fun and powerful lists with them. The codex is deceptively simple looking.

Another thing that has kind of led me to wonder is that aside from my own army being up for sale/trade in the swap shop I've seen a number of other nid armies that are getting the boot and it doesn't look like anyone wants them. On the other hand I see lots of threads that either are players looking for Orks or trading them. Just seems like once you start nids you're stuck with them lol

I have been playing nids for quite awhile, won a tournements and such and i would say that people simply get obsessed with the wrong units when playing ndis, they play them because they seem "good" but really are just terrible, i think alot of nid players have confusion over what units are obviously the best and which arn't, just go look in army lists.. :(

But nids can be seriously compettitive but they are a race in which you have to exploit every single nook and crany you possibily can, make the most out of every unit and you can table people with ease, and obviously thinking turns ahead for where the other persons models are expected to be..

Want a challenge, go nids.

Want to just go and play? go orks,

Simple.

I'd say that there is a bit more finesse to playing orks than people are giving them credit for.

If you're looking for a change of pace, meaning you don't want to run straight hordes and want to do mechanized infantry or lots of walkers, then go with orks.

I think nids do the whole swarm thing better, so if that is your jam then go for it.

gpfunk wrote:I'd say that there is a bit more finesse to playing orks than people are giving them credit for.

If you're looking for a change of pace, meaning you don't want to run straight hordes and want to do mechanized infantry or lots of walkers, then go with orks.

I think nids do the whole swarm thing better, so if that is your jam then go for it.

Completely agree. Yes a new player can take a gaggle of Orks and just run them to the other table edge and catch some wins. But it takes more strategy then that to be a good Ork player. Also, you want to challenge yourself, STOP TAKING GHAZZY on every friggin build you make. Try to limit yourself. If your really a good player, you can still pull out victories. I win matches with FlashGits folks, the last 5 victories Ive had, my builds had exactly 0 nobs or BWs in them. Doing things like that requires more then just bull charging. If your a Ghazzy player, then yea, your playing point and click, and thats boring if you ask me.



OP - Id say, which one strikes you more? If you think about it, Im sure one army catches your fancy more then the other. Go with that army. Youll enjoy the game more

Do you prefer fightin', or Eatin'?

Or rather, do you like the Mean, Green, Krumpin' machines? Stoopid humor? Tawkin' in a funny fonetik aksent? Do your Red Wonz go Fasta? Can you nevah, evah have enuff Dakka? WAAAGH!!!

Omnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom. Root for the Bugs in Starship Troopers. Mmm, delicious biomass. I will orgasm you to death. Is there a lictor in your waffles? Kekekekekekekekeke.

Choose the one you like painting better...because either way, you're gonna be painting a LOT of models.

I still think the way to go is Orks because they are so gosh darn wacky! Plus you can use almost any vehicle as a looted wagon, giving you literally the entirety of GW's junk to work with.

-cgmckenzie

I've always been amused with the orks and thought they'd be fun to play. I'd "Borrow" someone's army but no one here really plays orks. lol I've got my bugs so I'll probably stick with them

Anvildude wrote:Do you prefer fightin', or Eatin'?

Or rather, do you like the Mean, Green, Krumpin' machines? Stoopid humor? Tawkin' in a funny fonetik aksent? Do your Red Wonz go Fasta? Can you nevah, evah have enuff Dakka? WAAAGH!!!

Omnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom. Root for the Bugs in Starship Troopers. Mmm, delicious biomass. I will orgasm you to death. Is there a lictor in your waffles? Kekekekekekekekeke.

Bwhahahahahahaa!!!!!!!

I Think that the MCs are really cool and i enjoyed having Nids. but since having Orks, they are WAY more fun.

Yea reading through their codex has been more than amusing lol

Commissar Molotov wrote:Choose the one you like painting better...because either way, you're gonna be painting a LOT of models.

QFT

I'd say nids are easir to paint just prime white then colored washed then dipping can make some awsome looking nids with minimal effort. you can do the same with orks it just makes the clothing look a bit odd and the guns too. I prefer to prime orks black then brush paint them. then a wash to make the details pop and a fine tip ink marker for detailed lining like muscles and giving fabrics more depth

basically i could do 50 nids in the time i'd do 20 orks and they's both probably be seen as the same calaber paint

but yea orks imo are funner, but nids can be very effevtive and one of the girls at my flgs plays nids and she enjoys the fluff alot and enjoys them plus some of the models are amazing, I am going to get a trygon just to paint it up as a display model.

basically i'd say try playing both. hell make a list i've had somebody proxy a whole army to try em in a friendly game it was odd... space marines as necrons... he made a list of what was proxying as what and stuck to it. we both had to keep lookign back to the proxy list but he figured out after 2 games he liked it and got a necron battleforce and is workign on his second army. ask to play a proxy game with somebody between the two armies perhaps like he did and see which you like more

I've been hand painting all my models since I started playing 40k. Playing swarm armies is kind of a pain as far as painting goes. Now I haave access to a air brush so that makes life 10 times easier

Orks can be a lot more shooty than nids, and have methods of getting into combat faster, and safer.

Nids have a lot of deepstrike, infiltrate and jump infantry potential, but you have to build a list are that single purpose. At long range they get stomped and trying to get to the enemy they get stomped. The Orks have the troop transports to offer some protection and a little mobility.

I'm a die hard ork player myself, with the ability to go with a speedy list alot of fast stuff, or a horde with 200 models on the table, or stompy with dreads, killer kans, and other goodies or a all beefy tough armored list i really like the varity orks have. down side i could have made several months of house payments with what i have spent on orks. but its worth it when you look at your vehicles and say hmmmmm does that look mad max enough yet as a deciding point of when to quit tinkering or modifying your toys yeah its all good.

Lol I feel your pain on the spending. I've spent over a grand on bugs alone and still would want to spend A LOT more! Lol

@ OP play whichever army you think is cooler. The worst thing you could do at 40k is play an army for the metgame or play it cause less/no people around you play it. Unless you've got enough money to buy entire painted armies online without breaking a sweat, that is. (and if you do happen to be a millionaire, please buy out GW and fire mat ward. Why? Oh no reason... he just drinks the blood of babies)

KingCracker wrote:
Completely agree. Yes a new player can take a gaggle of Orks and just run them to the other table edge and catch some wins. But it takes more strategy then that to be a good Ork player. Also, you want to challenge yourself, STOP TAKING GHAZZY on every friggin build you make.

I never understood why people have such a hard-on for ghazzy. I always play a very mech/defensive/shooty list I guess so I'm rarely doing the whole, green tidal wave thing. Probably habit from playing CSM for so long. Since I have discovered the KFF, I almost always run a wall of vehicles under 2 KFFs. Plus tide of boyz piss me off. Oh you have furious charge? Well I'm I4 so screw you. I guess 6" assault is nice but it feels like a CSM player always taking abaddon, though I assume I'm severely underestimating the power of an 18" assault on any turn you want.

KingCracker wrote:
I win matches with FlashGits folks, the last 5 victories Ive had, my builds had exactly 0 nobs or BWs in them.

Master, teach me.

Id go with green skins they are much more entertaining and the modeling options muahaha.

Nids seem too creepy crawly then again cool modeling options.

Green skins seem like more fun and random silly so I vote Ork