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Hi all,

I have been playing around with making a list with a khonre lord on jugger and was looking over some magic weapons and such but my question is how effective is the ax of khonre is it worth it?
(I am still new fantasy and dont know all the ins and outs of fantasy)

Part 2 I dont have my rule book on me and I wont be able to get a hold of it till sunday so I was wondering how effective is killing blow and how does it work (dont need all the details but the main idea would be great).

Thanks

To me is a little overpriced but not bad at all with +1S and Killing Blow.

Basically killing blow is: you wound a man or horse sized model with a roll of 6 and puff!!, killed instantly, no matter how many wounds the model has in its pfofile. No regeneration or armour saves can be taken. Only ward saves

Raulmichile wrote:Basically killing blow is: you wound a man or horse sized model with a roll of 6 and puff!!, killed instantly, no matter how many wounds the model has in its pfofile. No regeneration or armour saves can be taken. Only ward saves

Noice

The thing with chaos lords is you need to be able to kill unit champs, before the start of combat.
I'd recommend the Blasphemous Amulet (toughness test or wound with no armor at each chaos magic phase), along with the word of agony (1/game D6 S4 hits no armor, start of combat).
Fully tooled up, I like sword of change, dragon helm, shield, blasphemous amulet, and word of pain.

6 S6 attacks, each forcing a toughness test or doing 3 to 5 S4 units on the unit. The amulet and word kill the unit champ, then heroes typically declined the challenge.
I've seen him do 5 kills to start, and 15 S4 bonus hits.

I've also seen the nurgle lord version (same gear) in a unit with the festering shroud (also doing toughness tests or wounds).
Fighting chaos heroes really is all about whacking unit champs.

-Matt

Ok I dont have my army book here my friend is borrowing it so how does this all work together i dont quite get it sorry still new to the fancy things in the army.

Personally, I've run Chaos Lords with the Sword of Bloodshed from the Main Rule Book. 8 S5 attacks is already beans in my book, though on its own the Axe of Khorne is better against larger creatures, IMHO.

Cryonicleech wrote:Personally, I've run Chaos Lords with the Sword of Bloodshed from the Main Rule Book. 8 S5 attacks is already beans in my book, though on its own the Axe of Khorne is better against larger creatures, IMHO.

Sword of swift slaying, or helm of many eyes for the Always strikes first and re-rolls to hits is usually better than more attacks.
As a unit killer, the sword of change is pretty bad ass. Against T3 opponents, you can get 15+ kills.
It goes really, really well with anything that drops toughness, like curse of the leper, or wither.

Axe of khorne killing blows on a 6 to wound.
Sword of Change kills on a failed toughness test (after armor save at -3).
Toughness tests are usually failed on a 5 or 6 (sometimes on 4's).
The sword of change doesn't ignore armor (like killing blow does), but is save -3, meaning the best possible armor save is 4+.

What this means, is that the sword of change is about the same against T4 1+ save opponents, better against worse armor, and vastly better against monstrous infantry and other models that you can't killing blow at all.
As an added bonus, the sword of change does the splash damage (S4 hit on enemies touching the target, which is usually 5 hits).

-Matt

Sword of change sounds pretty good but is it worth it? still new to fantasy so i dont quite know all the ins and outs.

Also how would you kit out a chaos lord at 3k I have a 3k list and half of it stomped my friends bretts already more than once and going up against wood elves soon and wanted to make a more silly list like a killy combat lord so trying to figure out his set up was planning on using a khorne lord on jugger any opinions and or suggestions?

I like sword of swift slaying a great deal, though I am tempted to take a simple Halberd and Helm of Many Eyes, since failing on Stupidity with a BSB around is pretty unlikely. I kind of like the ax of Khorne, but honestly I don't think killing blow is worth 40 points. The lord is already Str 5, thus wounding most characters on 2's, and some on 3's, so I am a bit more interested in keeping him alive and making sure he doesn't fluff his pile of attacks. Dragon Helm and ward save seem like a better investment than splattering the odd hero stupid enough to accept his challenge. Now if it was heroic killing blow, that'd be a different story!

If you want to make him more killy, for 30 points you can put a Rending sword on him to reroll wounds in addition to hits, or at 25 points the Glaive of Putrification for making an enemy S & T 2 if you wound them (not certain off the top if that works on everything or just characters and monsters though). At those points you can get those weapons, a Helm of Many Eyes and a 4+ ward.

Also, a good option for dealing with opposing unit champs is to have your unit champ challenge. You don't want to be running your Lord alone anyway, and WoC champs are practically as good as most army's hero level characters anyway.