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Danny76 wrote:
It is the only time they’ve said final part to be fair.
The key thing is Abnett said after the announcement of 3 how he ended up writing three books worth so they split it in 3.
So I’d hope that’s the case.

I’m in the final hour of Vol 1 right now, and where it seems to be ending this part, I can’t even see what’s gonna be in the 18 hours of Vol 2, let alone a whole third one?!?

They said at some point the siege of Terra would 8 books, we're now at 10, plus some side stories.

I do not for one second believe that Abnett was contracted to write one book but, oops, got so excited he wrote 3. He's a professional. If told to write one 500 page book he'll do that, if he wrote 3 it's because he was told to.

We can start putting money down now on how many epilogue books there will be before the launch of the next big thing, either the Scowering, the Great Crusade, or the Times of Ending.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

I do not for one second believe that Abnett was contracted to write one book but, oops, got so excited he wrote 3. He's a professional. If told to write one 500 page book he'll do that, if he wrote 3 it's because he was told to.

That's about as believable a claim as when Jervis said that Age of Sigmar was always intended to have point values.

It's one book, multiple volumes. It's not uncommon, and the three together will be a big book but no bigger than many other large sci-fi fantasy works. Most GW omnibuses are three novels plus some short stories and they fit in one unwieldy paperback with a small font.
That they chose to publish it as three volumes is certainly driven by profit but it isn't three books.
No more than Pandora's Star is two books or The Baroque Cycle is three. The former is one big book published in two volumes. The latter is eight small books published in three volumes.
Sanderson's Stormlight books are published as one volume in the US and two volumes in the UK. Doesn't mean he wrote two books.
In the world of sci fi and fantasy, this is all massively common. Abnett was probably just told to write as much as he wanted and he delivered a classic epic sci-fi door stop.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/07/sunday-preview-the-siege-of-terra-reaches-its-climax/

Book 3 is the next preorder

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Danny76 wrote:
It is the only time they’ve said final part to be fair.
The key thing is Abnett said after the announcement of 3 how he ended up writing three books worth so they split it in 3.
So I’d hope that’s the case.

I’m in the final hour of Vol 1 right now, and where it seems to be ending this part, I can’t even see what’s gonna be in the 18 hours of Vol 2, let alone a whole third one?!?

They said at some point the siege of Terra would 8 books, we're now at 10, plus some side stories.

I do not for one second believe that Abnett was contracted to write one book but, oops, got so excited he wrote 3. He's a professional. If told to write one 500 page book he'll do that, if he wrote 3 it's because he was told to.

That's why we have the bloated mess of 'The Magos', book 4 of the Eisenhorn trilogy. It was meant to just be a novella to round out a short story collection (and how stretched the plot is certainly backs that claim up) but got extended when Abnett got carried away. I find it perfectly believable that Black Library editorial follows the policy of 'let Dan do what he wants' to a large degree.

Well, at least it'll finally be over and the stress of buying these bloody things will be finally done.

I am not looking forward to braving the disaster that is GW's website again.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/08/the-end-and-the-death-volume-iii-an-interview-with-dan-abnett/

With that out of the way, we can hopefully look forward to Pandaemonium. Volume 1.

Well that sold out by 10:57. Looks like the queue system helps nothing, by the time I went through the checkout process it was sold out and my order got fethed.

Fairly unambiguously the queue system is actually compromised.

If that's internal to it's team or just incompetently designed so a third party can is something that might need some digging.

 The Phazer wrote:
Fairly unambiguously the queue system is actually compromised.

If that's internal to it's team or just incompetently designed so a third party can is something that might need some digging.

Agreed bots have developed something to sneak in!

It was 9.40, it said 25 mins and dropping, so thought I might have a chance.

between 9.45 and 10am it had risen to over an hour? Um sorry why show 25 minutes if its BS?

Dropped to 1 minute at 10.20

Its now rising again????

This system is so compromised I don't know what else to say.

I've heard that if you go into an official GW store and use their ordering system it shortens/bypasses the queue, could it just be due to that?

Yep, definitely something up with the queue, was showing over an hour at about 9:40, then been up and down, got down to about 4 minutes now showing over an hour again.

Is it just the limited edition that is sold out or the regular version as well? Gave up on the limited editions when I missed one of the earlier ones (6 I think)

Yeah this is ridiculous.

I joined at 9:50 and had an hour wait. It dropped to 11 minute wait about 10:10.

Then at 10:40 it said 4 minutes. Now at 11am its back to an 'more than an hour'.

If GW think an acceptable alternative is to do a round trip to a GW store every Saturday to avoid the awful queue system, then I'm more than happy to sell my collection of older novels for an obscene mark up and clear up some shelf space.

Edit: There is clearly an issue with the queue system. Its now 12:15pm and I'm still in the queue, its been saying random times between 4-9 minutes for the last half hour. I tried on a different device/connection and a 54 minute wait even on that. So its not something that's wrong with my account/connection.

MoD_Legion wrote:
Well that sold out by 10:57. Looks like the queue system helps nothing, by the time I went through the checkout process it was sold out and my order got fethed.

Even going to a GW store to avoid the website queue wasn't enough.

Was first person outside my local GW at 9.20. By about 9.35 the queue for the website was an hour long, so using the store terminal would have bypassed that.

Was let in the store slightly early because of the cold, in for 9.50, waiting at the terminal for the second it showed up at 9.55.

In cart within seconds, by the time got to checkout and the staff was sorting out store collection page for me, it then gave an error. Trying again, it had gone. Barely a minute from them going up and they'd sold out, even with the queue to skip the website wait and having it in the cart within seconds it wasn't fast enough and had gone before finishing entering details and checking out.

I did try to do it as guest and thinking about it maybe logging in would have been slightly faster, but something still seems a little wrong if even with an hour long website queue and skipping that entirely, there were still that many getting through and they'd gone in seconds.

Queue system is borked today.

I’ve been bounced around from 23 to 55 to 12 then 26 and now 8 minutes.

Poor show.

Both myself and my partner, both on two separate devices (to try to quadruple the chance of actually getting through) tried this morning, from about 09:15. A couple of queues at around 09:40 mark were at the 10-15 minute wait mark….. and then all 4 jumped up to ‘over an hour’. Things bouncing around wildly until about 10:10 when two connected…. And then errored. A third connected at about 10:15…. Try to add LE to cart and the old ‘insufficient quantity’ box shows up…

I don’t know why I got any hopes up of getting a copy at cost, but today really does seal the deal for me in terms of trying to the LE editions of anything any more. I’ll complete the Dawn of War series (as no one else seems bothered with that lol) but otherwise…. GW have just lost a long term customer. I know they won’t give a gak, but hey ho.

Really frustrating that so many scalpers have multiple copies up on eBay..

Scalpers don’t always get their orders. There was at least one reported to eBay by a member of the BL Nutters yesterday, on account eBay doesn’t let you deal in Futures. If you’re selling, you need to have it in hand.

And sorry for the victim blaming, but to help combat scalpers, it’s on us not to pay their inflated prices. Easier said than done I know, so I’m not looking to be a phallus about it.

The correct fix of course is a Made To Order for LE. Even if it’s just a super short “couple of hours, and that’s it” window, it’s better than we have at present.

 xttz wrote:
I've heard that if you go into an official GW store and use their ordering system it shortens/bypasses the queue, could it just be due to that?

This was true. Not sure if it is under the new webstore.

So we're clear: going into a GW store let you bypass the queue. I don't think there was any shortening of it or anything of that nature.

Dunno. The new website has been up for a while and had queues before. I don’t recall this issue arising before. Long waits? Yes. But being randomly bounced around expected times? No.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dunno. The new website has been up for a while and had queues before. I don’t recall this issue arising before. Long waits? Yes. But being randomly bounced around expected times? No.

That was happening last week. There was a way to bypass the queue and add something to your cart, but it then tossed you into the queue when you went to check out.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Scalpers don’t always get their orders. There was at least one reported to eBay by a member of the BL Nutters yesterday, on account eBay doesn’t let you deal in Futures. If you’re selling, you need to have it in hand.

And sorry for the victim blaming, but to help combat scalpers, it’s on us not to pay their inflated prices. Easier said than done I know, so I’m not looking to be a phallus about it.

The correct fix of course is a Made To Order for LE. Even if it’s just a super short “couple of hours, and that’s it” window, it’s better than we have at present.

I utterly concur about not paying the scalpers, but when you have all the others, it’s almost impossible for me not to finish. Buggered if I’m paying what they are asking right now though, I’ll wait until prices stabilise at something slightly less bankrupting though….

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dunno. The new website has been up for a while and had queues before. I don’t recall this issue arising before. Long waits? Yes. But being randomly bounced around expected times? No.

That was happening last week. There was a way to bypass the queue and add something to your cart, but it then tossed you into the queue when you went to check out.

Fair. Didn’t bother last week as I’ve enough on my plate hobby wise without adding another Game System into the mix.

So the warping of time and space in the Imperial Palace in TEATD has spread to the real world GW website?

I logged into the system myself 11 straight times, sometimes from a restaurant, sometimes from my sofa, and once from EPCOT (Warhawk). I succeeded ten times, and failed on the 11th (The End and the Death - Part 1 of n).

That failure set me free. I didn’t try the 12th time. And I won’t be trying #13 today. Instead, I went from “buyer and consumer” to “seller and apathetic.” It broke me from pursuing their LEs, which is a huge relief. Life goes on.

I've been trying to long in like 6-7 times today. All the time the queue ranged between one hour to 15 minutes. And all the time I just said 'feth it'. Actually, haven't ordered a single thing since new website launch.

Five hours. Five hours it took me to get to the storefront.

I’ve sent GW an email explaining my frustration and disappointment with their handling of things.

And yet people will still do the same thing next time...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Five hours. Five hours it took me to get to the storefront.

I’ve sent GW an email explaining my frustration and disappointment with their handling of things.

That's insane. Is the LE EATD part 3 the only big pre order today? I have just not been able to access the webstore today, tried 2 or 3 times but saw the wait times and gave up.

Is it daft at this point to consider having 2 different webstores? 1 for preorders and 1 for everything else.

 Lord Damocles wrote:
And yet people will still do the same thing next time...

People yes. But not me.

I'm done with BL books now. I've said I was sick of the chasing, queues, limited stock & GW loosing orders for the last couple of years anyway. I made the decision that the siege books would be the last ones, this release already annoyed me that they decide to milk an extra volume out of everyone.

I'll give it some time for people to settle down as selling now will just get people kicking off about how bad this has been on sales posts but once it settles and people go back to quietly paying a small fortune for the books they are missing, I'll sell my copy of things like the LE solar war & mortis. Solar war was going at one time for like €600- €1000. Prices are going to go up again now people will want to finish off collections.

I've got plenty to read anyway and anything new will just end up as audios, which in turn end up in places like humble bundle anyway. No need to keep bothering with the awful system GW has in place.