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How strong are Titan weapons in terms of energy? W, MW, TW? And what is Titan weapons operational range?

And in case of Titan capture, how Titan machine spirit reacts to foreign mind? ( does he destroy it or succumb to the change ).

A Titan is kinda sentient in a strange way, i would guess it would react badly to a foreign mind, which is why Chaos use machine virus' and such to make them usable.

Not sure on the others but i'm willing to bet it is on the high end.

Brother Coa wrote:How strong are Titan weapons in terms of energy? W, MW, TW? And what is Titan weapons operational range?

And in case of Titan capture, how Titan machine spirit reacts to foreign mind? ( does he destroy it or succumb to the change ).

I am not even sure the weapons of a titan could be placed in a modern world scale like the watts.

The operational range of a titan will depend of its class, and of the weapons employed.

At most, a warlord will be able to reach a target 15 km away (according to Titanicus).
Reavers seem to be able to match the range of warlords, though I suppose they would not achieve the a warlord's precision from this distance.
The range of a warhound's weapons is irrelevant, since scout titans are specially designed to engage targets at close range (ambushes, skirmishes, flanking actions, etc).

Imperator titans certainly have a much greater range, since their battlefield role is specifically to hammer the enemy out of the range of its own guns and that they mount weapons so massive they can't even be placed on other titans. However I never read anything concerning their maximum range.

I'm pretty sure it over 9000

Laodamia wrote:Reavers seem to be able to match the range of warlords, though I suppose they would not achieve the a warlord's precision from this distance.

Reavers are meant for a long-range support role, so I'd assume they match or exceed warlords in terms of range and accuracy.

Laodamia wrote:

Brother Coa wrote:How strong are Titan weapons in terms of energy? W, MW, TW? And what is Titan weapons operational range?

And in case of Titan capture, how Titan machine spirit reacts to foreign mind? ( does he destroy it or succumb to the change ).

I am not even sure the weapons of a titan could be placed in a modern world scale like the watts.

The operational range of a titan will depend of its class, and of the weapons employed.

At most, a warlord will be able to reach a target 15 km away (according to Titanicus).
Reavers seem to be able to match the range of warlords, though I suppose they would not achieve the a warlord's precision from this distance.
The range of a warhound's weapons is irrelevant, since scout titans are specially designed to engage targets at close range (ambushes, skirmishes, flanking actions, etc).

Imperator titans certainly have a much greater range, since their battlefield role is specifically to hammer the enemy out of the range of its own guns and that they mount weapons so massive they can't even be placed on other titans. However I never read anything concerning their maximum range.

No the Imperator is general purpose.

The titan with the greatest range (by far) would be the Warmonger titan. ICBMs much?

Or maybe a Castigator. But that's irrelevant because the last one was destroyed...

Or are we counting xenos titan-equivalents? Because the Manta is used for space combat, and so probably has enormous range.

And TW would probably be just about right for measuring damage output.

The Manta isn't a titan equivalent...
It's a gigantic, void capable, gun ship carrier, thing...
But it isn't a Titan.
Stompas and Gargants are equivalents, but Mantas are not.

purplefood wrote:The Manta isn't a titan equivalent...
It's a gigantic, void capable, gun ship carrier, thing...
But it isn't a Titan.
Stompas and Gargants are equivalents, but Mantas are not.

Mantas are. It is even stated in IAIII: TC that it is.

It is as big as a titan, and can beat most titans in single combat (on par with a warlord, except that it carries FW XV8s and tanks)

im2randomghgh wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Manta isn't a titan equivalent...
It's a gigantic, void capable, gun ship carrier, thing...
But it isn't a Titan.
Stompas and Gargants are equivalents, but Mantas are not.

Mantas are. It is even stated in IAIII: TC that it is.

It is as big as a titan, and can beat most titans in single combat (on par with a warlord, except that it carries FW XV8s and tanks)

And,a Warlord carries several companies of Skittari in its legs.
At any rate, in my book at least, the Manta isn't a Titan equivilent. It is a Titan killer but that doesn't make it a Titan.

purplefood wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Manta isn't a titan equivalent...
It's a gigantic, void capable, gun ship carrier, thing...
But it isn't a Titan.
Stompas and Gargants are equivalents, but Mantas are not.

Mantas are. It is even stated in IAIII: TC that it is.

It is as big as a titan, and can beat most titans in single combat (on par with a warlord, except that it carries FW XV8s and tanks)

And,a Warlord carries several companies of Skittari in its legs.
At any rate, in my book at least, the Manta isn't a Titan equivilent. It is a Titan killer but that doesn't make it a Titan.

/troll

Not having legs does not disqualify it from being a titan.

And it is the Imperators that have skitarii, and even then, only one company.

I'm not trolling thanks very much.
I simply don't think the Manta is a Titan.
It flies around and can go into space, whilst at the same time dropping off large amounts of troops.
It does far more than a Titan does whilst fulfilling the same roles.
That said Titan isn't exactly a defined term so go figure...

I've always heard that the Manta was Tau Titan-equivalent. Since the Tau don't have massive walkers like the IoM, Orks, Eldar or Nids, the Manta is what fills this role in their army organization.

So I agree with both of you

im2randomghgh wrote:

purplefood wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

purplefood wrote:The Manta isn't a titan equivalent...
It's a gigantic, void capable, gun ship carrier, thing...
But it isn't a Titan.
Stompas and Gargants are equivalents, but Mantas are not.

Mantas are. It is even stated in IAIII: TC that it is.

It is as big as a titan, and can beat most titans in single combat (on par with a warlord, except that it carries FW XV8s and tanks)

And,a Warlord carries several companies of Skittari in its legs.
At any rate, in my book at least, the Manta isn't a Titan equivilent. It is a Titan killer but that doesn't make it a Titan.

/troll

Not having legs does not disqualify it from being a titan.

And it is the Imperators that have skitarii, and even then, only one company.

It's a gunship, and one only slightly larger than the modern Spectre. Armament seems pretty similar too, if shorter ranged (from what's been said about its guns elsewhere, I don't have Imperial Armor, so I don't know first hand).

It's also not Titan-equivalent, as it took several Mantas, with air support, to bring down a single Warhound. It might be better on the table, but I'd chalk that up to Forgeworld wanting to move a $1,560 model.

are you saying its as good as an AC130 or that its sort of an equivelent, because this is the 41st millenium, so I'd be careful calling 40k tech "similar" to anything modern.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
It's a gunship, and one only slightly larger than the modern Spectre. Armament seems pretty similar too, if shorter ranged (from what's been said about its guns elsewhere, I don't have Imperial Armor, so I don't know first hand).

It's also not Titan-equivalent, as it took several Mantas, with air support, to bring down a single Warhound. It might be better on the table, but I'd chalk that up to Forgeworld wanting to move a $1,560 model.

It's much more heavy armed than a Spectre:

Lexicanum wrote:
For armaments, it carries: "Sixteen Long-Barrelled Burst Cannons, Six Long-Barrelled Ion Cannons, Two Heavy Railguns, Missile Pods and battery of Seeker Missiles as well as a Networked Markerlight turret." The aircraft has a crew of six, two pilots and four gunners.

And the Spectre can't carry troops, and 2 APC's and 2 Tanks. The Manta can carry:

Lexicanum wrote:
It can carry up to:
48 Fire Warriors
8 Battlesuits
2 Devilfish troop carriers
2 Hammerhead Gunships
6 Gun Drones

I'd say it is bigger than anything we have right now...
I still wouldn't call it a titan...
Super-Heavy Transporter?
Super-Heavy Gunship Carrier?

I completely agree that it's not a 'Titan', it's just the closet equivalent that the Tau have to a Titan. Lexicanum refers to it being "between an attack craft and a full starship." and compares it to a IoM Titan and Ork Gargant

I agree with IA, they called it a "super heavy flyer," given that its the most super heavy of the super heavy flyers that may be a debatable term.

Grass4hopper wrote:It's much more heavy armed than a Spectre:

Lexicanum wrote:
For armaments, it carries: "Sixteen Long-Barrelled Burst Cannons, Six Long-Barrelled Ion Cannons, Two Heavy Railguns, Missile Pods and battery of Seeker Missiles as well as a Networked Markerlight turret." The aircraft has a crew of six, two pilots and four gunners.

While it's hard to translate real world statistics into 40K, the (slightly older variant of the) Spectre mounts two 20mm gatling guns, which based upon velocity and projectile weight would put them at a significantly higher energy than the equivalent to a heavy stubber, with a rate of fire greater than ten times theirs. To be extremely conservative, that gives it statline somewhere in the range of 48" S5 AP6 Heavy 20. There's also a gun with a range of seven kilometers that fires 120 two pound high explosives shells a minute, and a howitzer that fires a 33 pound shell with a range of eleven kilometers. I'd say the railguns are the only place the Manta really has it beat, aside from the Manta also serving as a cargo plane (and the "able to go into space" thing, too).

Edit: after conducting further research, the two pounder would probably have a statline akin to a rapid-firing mortar, so something like 48" S4 AP6 Heavy 10, Blast. The howitzer is probably around a Leman Russ battlecannon plate.

Laodamia wrote:
At most, a warlord will be able to reach a target 15 km away (according to Titanicus).
Reavers seem to be able to match the range of warlords, though I suppose they would not achieve the a warlord's precision from this distance.
The range of a warhound's weapons is irrelevant, since scout titans are specially designed to engage targets at close range (ambushes, skirmishes, flanking actions, etc).

Imperator titans certainly have a much greater range, since their battlefield role is specifically to hammer the enemy out of the range of its own guns and that they mount weapons so massive they can't even be placed on other titans. However I never read anything concerning their maximum range.

Wow, 15 km is a long range for something like that. That means that Warlord can destroy anything that is even far aways from him.
As for the Imperator it is logical to conclude that advanced weapons = longer range. So it is safe to assume that Imperiator have 15+ km range. They are in fact moving artillery.

What about Titan range when it comes to air? I heard stories that Titans can shot ships in orbit


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im2randomghgh wrote:
Or maybe a Castigator. But that's irrelevant because the last one was destroyed...

A Titan that can shoot Daemons? And have a power-fist for weapon?
What's next? A kitty shotting Terminator?

Once again depends on the class, but it wouldn't be too far out of the way for some of them to probably have a weapon like that.

im2randomghgh wrote:
Or are we counting xenos titan-equivalents? Because the Manta is used for space combat, and so probably has enormous range.

I can see letters "t","a","u","m" and "n", but I don't see "Tau Manta" written anywhere.
And now thank you for mentioning that. Instead of thread of Titans we now have thread about Tau manta.
I am not interested in Tau and in their shuttle, I am interested in Titan and it's weapons. I already know everything about Manta, and she is in size like AC-130 Spectre Gunship.
Titans are up to 60m tall, manta is 52m wide.

Now can we please return to the OP.

Well if a reaver hit a modern day M1A1 Abrahms main battle tank with its melta cannon it would instanatly reduce it to a bubbling pool of molten metal.
hope that helps.

Haonn wrote:Well if a reaver hit a modern day M1A1 Abrahms main battle tank with its melta cannon it would instanatly reduce it to a bubbling pool of molten metal.
hope that helps.

No it wouldn't.









It'd dissolve it into atoms!

Haonn wrote:Well if a reaver hit a modern day M1A1 Abrahms main battle tank with its melta cannon it would instanatly reduce it to a bubbling pool of molten metal.
hope that helps.

Would it autokill a rhino? If not, then an Abrams could technically survive. SD, right? So an autopen, but still a 50% chance of remaining at least partially operational.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:

Haonn wrote:Well if a reaver hit a modern day M1A1 Abrahms main battle tank with its melta cannon it would instanatly reduce it to a bubbling pool of molten metal.
hope that helps.

Would it autokill a rhino? If not, then an Abrams could technically survive. SD, right? So an autopen, but still a 50% chance of remaining at least partially operational.

We don't even know if Abrams is tougher than a Rhino.

A rhino is made of admantium, its a crazy 41st millenium alloy that is heat resistant and super hard, a rhino is probably better armoured than an abrahms.
also melta cannon rules= i dont know the range but i know how the melta rule works, 10" blast 3d6 str 8 armour pen if the centre hole is over the vehicle, 2d6 str 8 anywhere else.correct em if im rong, and i'm not sure what the str is (I'm just asuming 8)
so it would auto glace rhino front armour with the centre hole.

Comparing more or less known quantities, an Abrams comes out somewhere around AV10/11 (namely, comparison of antitank weapons; a krak grenade from a launcher is roughly comparable to a modern RPG, while a hunter-killer/krak missile is roughly comparable to a Javelin missile, so a Rhino's AV11/11/10 is a good guess for what an Abrams would be). Going off ridiculously ill-informed musings by some white dwarf writer on the comparison of adamantium to steel, it would be in excess of AV14, from what I remember from the IG versus modern army (or was it Tau versus modern army, can't remember).

Oh, and here's an article mentioning what the melta cannon does.

Thats interesting, it was my understanding that the melta cannon didnt suffer form the half streangth rule. if anyone could shed some more light on this matter that would be great.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:Comparing more or less known quantities, an Abrams comes out somewhere around AV10/11 (namely, comparison of antitank weapons; a krak grenade from a launcher is roughly comparable to a modern RPG, while a hunter-killer/krak missile is roughly comparable to a Javelin missile, so a Rhino's AV11/11/10 is a good guess for what an Abrams would be). Going off ridiculously ill-informed musings by some white dwarf writer on the comparison of adamantium to steel, it would be in excess of AV14, from what I remember from the IG versus modern army (or was it Tau versus modern army, can't remember).

It was IG vs. Moder army thread. And as far as I understand you can't find adamantium on Earth. So the source would probably be asteroids and mineral rich planets. So in all seriousness adamantium is much more tougher than steel plates.