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Who are outside Europe.

Why are all of you complaining about the prices? You do know you can buy a lot of the models from EBAY at a ridiculous saving even with the shipping. And you can also buy from other users on this web site and others, but mostly EBAY

From what I know you a few of many options:

1 - Ebay
2 - Other users
3 – Discount websites within your own country
4 – Scratch build
5 - Cast your own models (legal as long as you don’t sell on)

So what’s all the crying about when you have these and many other alternatives?

Wow, I'm sure the gamers from Oz and NZ hadn't considered that at all....

So why are they all complaining all over the internet when they have these alternatives ?

Ask H.B.M.C. or Waaagh_Gonads.

Bloody whinging Antipodeans, who do they think they are wanting to buy their GW products at level price parity with the rest of the world? They should suck it up and pay, dammit!

Clearly your own expression your own views and not mine, while not answering my question.

To answer your question. Because those alternatives suck.

so it's not really a question for everyone? just gw consumers outside of europe who are complaining about prices?
I feel so left out these days. all the general discussion threads are gw only stuff.
I think there will be some big webstore working through a distributor that pops up soon to help folks locked out by gw.

1-You don't always find what you want and some people like to work with brand new models still on the sprue, not that many people buy new miniatures only to quickly go on Ebay to sell at half-price
2-Same as 1 except they wouldn't go on forums instead of Ebay
3-Could you give me discount sites from Oz and Nz please? I honestly don't know any
4-scratchbuilding CONVINCING models isn't easy for everyone, it's already hard enough just to assemble some models
5-do you honestly know how hard that is? Or are you suggesting to independently cast every bit from a kit? Nowadays, GW's plastic kits have over a 100 different pieces!

1 - Ebay. Often not any cheaper than retail price unless in bad shape/pre-assembled and therefore not as good as a new product.
2 - Other users. What do you mean by this that isn't ebay?
3 – Discount websites within your own country. Did you know that AUS prices are nearly double UK prices. That's so great, with 20% off from a AUS store, you're still paying near 25% more on straight UK retail price, and still not getting the 40% savings from Maelstrom.
4 – Scratch build. Difficulty for the average hobbyist and not usuable at GW tournies on in GW shops.
5 - Cast your own models (legal as long as you don’t sell on). It is illegal and it's hard as well.

@Lunarman

We posted the exact same thing with only a second of difference!!!

Internet High-Five!!!

Bob Phornton wrote:Who are outside Europe.

Why are all of you complaining about the prices? You do know you can buy a lot of the models from EBAY at a ridiculous saving even with the shipping. And you can also buy from other users on this web site and others, but mostly EBAY

From what I know you a few of many options:

1 - Ebay

Probably the best choice, but it involves much work and not everyone likes used stuff. New stuff has no real price advantage

2 - Other users

Allready in the works afaik. Still the issue of trust and not dealing with something "official".

3 – Discount websites within your own country

Yay, only 30% more to pay than the rest of the world...

4 – Scratch build

Requires additional time, resources and talent not everyone has access to. And maybe they actually like the GW sculpts.

5 - Cast your own models (legal as long as you don’t sell on)

Again: resources, work, experience. Not everyone has access to this stuff.

So what’s all the crying about when you have these and many other alternatives?

The crying is about the way GW treats it´s customers. Price hike after price hike. Failcast/Finecost debacle. Southern Hemisphere embargo.

I mean, take me for example. I´m not even affected by the embargo, and I could easily pay the new prices. Still: The way GW behaved was the straw that broke the camel´s back.

But you´re right. Crying won´t help if there are many alternatives. Only that those alternatives are called Warmachine, Hordes, Flames of War, Dystopian Wars, Infinity and what ever is out there.

I always buy GW from ebay, unless there is some new I'm happy to stump up the extra for...

...or at least that was my approach until last week. Now I'm reluctant to buy anything new from GW. I'll just be patient and wait until the right stuff appears. I find it a pretty good way to collect over a period of time, but if you were wanting something quickly, it's not so great.

Bob Phornton wrote:

5 - Cast your own models (legal as long as you don’t sell on)

It's perfectly legal to cast and sell your own models.

Kilkrazy wrote:It's perfectly legal to cast and sell your own models.

I don't think that's actually quite what he meant...

Flashman wrote:I always buy GW from ebay, unless there is some new I'm happy to stump up the extra for...

Thats how I do it. Ive got a couple great sellers I use regularly, at least 20% discount with quick shipping. In talking new stuff too, not used. Sometimes on the cheaper stuff the shipping cancels out the discount, so Ill buy in person IF I can find it local, but thats pretty rare as the LGS is more a gaming location that a retail store.

Only 1 time have I ever bought a GW product that had been previously assembled/painted. I may buy some old stuff, but its always at least bare metal, preferably unassembled as well.

Since I am apart of everyone and have therefore been addressed.

Heres a question to you Bob...

Why with only 3 posts (all in this thread) and a join date of 30/05/2011 are you starting off posting on an issue that has upset many in the Southern Hemisphere?

Are you trolling?

If not there are threads and threads of posts within the last 2 weeks that answer you question perfectly.

Bob Phornton wrote:Who are outside Europe.

Why are all of you complaining about the prices? You do know you can buy a lot of the models from EBAY at a ridiculous saving even with the shipping. And you can also buy from other users on this web site and others, but mostly EBAY

From what I know you a few of many options:

1 - Ebay
2 - Other users
3 – Discount websites within your own country
4 – Scratch build
5 - Cast your own models (legal as long as you don’t sell on)

So what’s all the crying about when you have these and many other alternatives?

1. I won't use paypal. This locks me out of the great majority of ebay sales.
2. I do this already. Hell, the vast majority of my SM, guard and GK are 2nd hand from other gamers over the years.
3. I do this sometimes. 25% discount on RRP might not seem like much, but when you aren't aware of anything else, it's a lot.)
4. Do this already. It's why I can happily go without their stuff. I'm building my own Stormraven from plasticard and jet bits, for example. I have built several IG and SM tanks from plasticard and separate tank tread sets.
5. I am unwilling to confirm nor deny that I have done this - though I do have the skills and do currently bronze cast, so have the materials.

Why the rage?
When your local prices are over twice what the US and UK pay - and your dollar is currently worth MORE than the US dollar (and two-thirds of the UKP), then DOUBLE their prices are a joke ($65 for a box of tac marines. $110 for a Land Raider). The prices were set into concrete when our dollar was less than stellar, admittedly (when the letter code pricing system was set up) - because someone in GW didn't realise that currency values are NOT a static thing, or that their home currency could get worse.

So for a while, we discover that the rest of the world has cheaper product than us when it comes to gaming (why not, a lot of your other commercial products are also cheaper), and we take advantage of it. GW thinks this is bad for their operation here (well, it is, but so is their local pricing structure) and decides to FINE us by making the game COST more than ever by cutting us off from the rest of the world sales points and jacking up prices as well. For many of us, the current price rise ISN'T up to 20%, it's up to 120% as a result.

filbert wrote:Wow, I'm sure the gamers from Oz and NZ hadn't considered that at all....

Bob Phornton wrote:So why are they all complaining all over the internet when they have these alternatives ?

I'm using this a lot latley

lunarman wrote:To answer your question. Because those alternatives suck.

Yet they are alternatives.

Dais wrote:so it's not really a question for everyone? just gw consumers outside of europe who are complaining about prices?

You can chip in if you wish.

M'Kachen's Nemesis/ lunarman

To answer you both.

1 – If people are selling them full UK RRP then whats the problem? Still cheaper than Aus prices even with postage.
2 – Given the current situation I believe they will. Lunarman I mean other users on this and other wargaming websites.
3 – At work so would not be possible though I will have a look later.
4 – Like with most of us, we weren’t borne painters but we got their in the end, it will be the same with converting. And a lot of players attend non GW official ones where you can use whatever models you like.
5 – Casting models is not illegal if you use them for your own purpose. I cast parts of my own models, as with painting/converting you only get better after time.

1 – If people are selling them full UK RRP then whats the problem? Still cheaper than Aus prices even with postage.

We thrashed this out last week. First you have the problem of finding a retailer that is able to sell to Australia and then the standard postage costs are actually fairly astronomical

Bob Phornton wrote:Who are outside Europe.

Why are all of you complaining about the prices? You do know you can buy a lot of the models from EBAY at a ridiculous saving even with the shipping. And you can also buy from other users on this web site and others, but mostly EBAY

From what I know you a few of many options:

1 - Ebay
2 - Other users
3 – Discount websites within your own country
4 – Scratch build
5 - Cast your own models (legal as long as you don’t sell on)

So what’s all the crying about when you have these and many other alternatives?

....

Your missing the issues, ALL of the issues combined.


The price thing was just the cherry on the top of a bunch of failures and questionable business practices.

People have a right to be ticked off when the company in question pulled what they did. If you need more discussion on the issues at hand, the page is full of titles of threds voicing the whole gambit.

Aside from that, YOUR the new one here, who are you, anyway?

Your like a week or two late there, chief...


Welcome, anyway.

Shoplifting. That's an alternative...

Vimes:

1 – Then people need to stop being lazy and put some effort in if they wish to continue purchasing at a reasonable price.

2 – Warseer have an itrading system why can’t Dakka do the same?

3 – 30% is still a discount, why so ungrateful? There are people in the world who have it a lot worse.

4 – And if they like the GW models they shouldn’t complain about buying them at the asking price. However the majority of players indulge in playing armies with a unique appearance where you can tell the player has put his heart and soul into it with a rewarding outcome.

5 – If again, this is a quagmire they have the option to buy retail.

As for your last bit:

I don’t believe this is “the straw that broke the camels back”, far from it. You get a lot of complaining/raging. This trend only follows a continued increase in profit. We all the only way to bring about this situation is by voting with your wallet. While few will, many wont and they will continue the trend for years to come too scared to stop spending their money due to lack of integrity and an unwillingness to change that which harms them.

Kilkrazy:

Not in England.

Repentance:

For the last two weeks I have seen various GW related forums flooded with all this nonsense. We all know GW hike the prices up every January and no one has caught on yet to buy all what they need before the hike and then do one of the following;

Stop spending and use what you got till GW policies change/ prices revert.

Continue buying and not complain about the price hike.

However everyone follows the second option and never wise up, and so I ask these questions to seek answers from the wargaming intelligentsia.

I have a question for you and another one for everyone else. Given the current options given by GW and you now have another year before the prices go up again, what will you do?

– Probably complain about that price increase, even with the foresight of it happening.

Recasting models: Expensive, time consuming, and require a great amount of effort to get it right. In the end, getting all of the moulds cast right, expensive to just do poor-quality copies.

Feebay is great when you don't care about the condition of the models. Most people care. About 50% of the stuff being traded is mislabled, and ought to be renamed 'junk lot'. The same again goes for other users. There is something about getting someone else's refuse. Damage to the models, poor painting etc, poor poses etc.

Discount websites will have hidden fees, or, require one to spend in excess of $300 before it starts being worth it. Then, after $500 it stops having worth again because the shipping costs go up and you risk being the one saddled with the handling fee, and the giant box left by an ignorant delivery associate screams 'STEAL ME'.

Not everyone has the imagination or the ability to match a healthy imagination, to scratch build something. Using kneadadite is costly and time exhaustive as well as difficult. Sculpting an entire army from scratch? Sure, SM can be done on budget, but only SM. Scratch building everything also requires a precision to everything. Some surfaces cannot be made to curve like the Tau or Eldar vehicles do, and require a mold, this in turn returns to the initial problem that silicone base molding, or anything else on a cheap scale, results in poor quality casts. The average person does not have access to industrial scale or industrial quality moulding/casting/sculpting apparatus.

Then there are always issues with buying second hand... do you personally know? can he deliver the goods up front and exchange for cash in person? will the person take your money without delivering what was promised? Will he take your funds, add surcharges and then not send until those other charges are paid? Essentially: can you trust the other party?

Can you trust third parties? can you be sure that what you ordered isn't mauled to kingdom come, and actually usable?

Bob Phornton wrote:Who are outside Europe.

Why are all of you complaining about the prices? You do know you can buy a lot of the models from EBAY at a ridiculous saving even with the shipping. And you can also buy from other users on this web site and others, but mostly EBAY

From what I know you a few of many options:

1 - Ebay
2 - Other users
3 – Discount websites within your own country
4 – Scratch build
5 - Cast your own models (legal as long as you don’t sell on)

So what’s all the crying about when you have these and many other alternatives?

Ok , read this , remember it , and dont make a fool out of yourself again about us crying.

1 - Ebay

-Easy, ONE , they may not ship outside their continent.
-Most of USA ebayers dont even ship to Canada which is right next door.
-If an item is cheap, and everyone wants it, can you guess what happens to it? everyone will bid on it till its not so cheap anymore. Price vs demand , figure that out.

2 - Other users

So in the form of swapshop , bartertown? Sure it can work , but then:
-Not 100% safe
-Again, if many people want it, the price dont end up cheap anymore, just an average to whats acceptable
-Most of the time missing parts, or broken parts during transit. ( you are asking someone very active in trade )

3 – Discount websites within your own country

Im sure this applies ALOT to Canadians and Australians.
-First off , exchange rate vs the set MSRP for our country.
Even WITH DISCOUNT, our retail price is set at a higher price than the rest of the world.
For example , retail price for USA is already like 20% cheaper than Canada.
-High Taxes

4 – Scratch build

-Scratch build is not for everyone , some dont have time and some dont have skills.
-Scratch building to avoid buying the model , is not a solution, as the price for the model is still high. You are only avoiding it.

5 - Cast your own models (legal as long as you don’t sell on)

Arnt you getting irrelevant here? We are talking about GW stuff been expensive right? How is recasting a solution
if the items we need are for GW? Unless you mean:
-Sculpt my own GW parts and recast them to be used in GW setting?. Then still it requires skill , time , and doesnt change the fact its originally expensive.
-Casting GW parts, its still illegal , the only reason you assume its legal for personal use is , your chance of getting caught is slim.

I'll give you an example.

If i sell you a pet pebble ( they do exist ), i sell it to you for $20 for a pebble , would you think its expensive? ( you can game with it , paint it , have fun with it too! )
I bet you'll think its expensive , what if i give you a discount for it? so its $15? Will you be like OMG TY TY TAKE MY MONEY NOW!
And you know , $15 is still cheap compared to a $70 Land Raider , according to the theories used by people Pro GW pricing.



Hope you learned something today BoB , instead of just calling as people just QQs

While we are at it, how about those whiny beeatches who complain when they get robbed. They could just buy new stuff. Its not hard.

Chromedog:

1 – Learn to adapt or be left behind

As for the rest:

A lot of business use this exploit. In America the majority of their feed is considered some of the cheapest in the world, corporations using cheap labour with wages much lower than yours who are incapable of buying the product they manufacture. Throw in other commodities which vary in different countries. Another example would be when I went to Italy last year and the price of bread was a lot of money to me because I compared it £ to € even though at the time £ < € and so on. Why aren’t you complaining about all these other issues too?

Again in the business world this is how it’s done and people need to accept this fact and either go along with it of fight to change it.

Grimtuff:

Good answer!
/sarcasm


Flashman:

There is a very easy solution to that problem, which anyone can do.

Grot 6:

“who are you, anyway?”

I have been here a long time and on other websites but I feel it be... more appropriate if I use another alias for unforeseen circumstances.

ArbeitsSchu:

Also illegal.

Bob Phornton wrote:Vimes:

1 – Then people need to stop being lazy and put some effort in if they wish to continue purchasing at a reasonable price.

2 – Warseer have an itrading system why can’t Dakka do the same?

3 – 30% is still a discount, why so ungrateful? There are people in the world who have it a lot worse.

4 – And if they like the GW models they shouldn’t complain about buying them at the asking price. However the majority of players indulge in playing armies with a unique appearance where you can tell the player has put his heart and soul into it with a rewarding outcome.

5 – If again, this is a quagmire they have the option to buy retail.

As for your last bit:

I don’t believe this is “the straw that broke the camels back”, far from it. You get a lot of complaining/raging. This trend only follows a continued increase in profit. We all the only way to bring about this situation is by voting with your wallet. While few will, many wont and they will continue the trend for years to come too scared to stop spending their money due to lack of integrity and an unwillingness to change that which harms them.

Kilkrazy:

Not in England.

Repentance:

For the last two weeks I have seen various GW related forums flooded with all this nonsense. We all know GW hike the prices up every January and no one has caught on yet to buy all what they need before the hike and then do one of the following;

Stop spending and use what you got till GW policies change/ prices revert.

Continue buying and not complain about the price hike.

However everyone follows the second option and never wise up, and so I ask these questions to seek answers from the wargaming intelligentsia.

I have a question for you and another one for everyone else. Given the current options given by GW and you now have another year before the prices go up again, what will you do?

– Probably complain about that price increase, even with the foresight of it happening.

....





Yeah, I didn't see that coming.



Seriously dude. We've been through this for the past TWO WEEKS.

The PAGE IS FULL OF THESE THREADS. Your hashing out worn territory.... Already hashed out. Only thing missing is a->

I have been here a long time and on other websites but I feel it be... more appropriate if I use another alias for unforeseen circumstances.

So a sock puppet account? And also, read my post above, you might learn something.

Bob Phornton wrote:Chromedog:

1 – Learn to adapt or be left behind

As for the rest:

A lot of business use this exploit. In America the majority of their feed is considered some of the cheapest in the world, corporations using cheap labour with wages much lower than yours who are incapable of buying the product they manufacture. Throw in other commodities which vary in different countries. Another example would be when I went to Italy last year and the price of bread was a lot of money to me because I compared it £ to € even though at the time £ < € and so on. Why aren’t you complaining about all these other issues too?

Again in the business world this is how it’s done and people need to accept this fact and either go along with it of fight to change it.

Grimtuff:

Good answer!
/sarcasm


Flashman:

There is a very easy solution to that problem, which anyone can do.

Grot 6:

“who are you, anyway?”

I have been here a long time and on other websites but I feel it be... more appropriate if I use another alias for unforeseen circumstances.

ArbeitsSchu:

Also illegal.

Hey Tom.


Glad you could make it, now go get those priceing SNAFU's squared away, The Board is not amused


And get me... a shrubbery!


sock puppet account, LOL.