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Hi I've posted a thread quite a while ago regarding a Warriors of Chaos army, since then I've played quite a few games and almost finished an entire army, painted and based, for the first time in my life , this is the list I've been running but I'm wondering if there is room for improvement somewhere

1x Chaos Lord- Chaos Runeshield, Chaos Runesword- 310pts

1x Chaos Sorcerer- Level 2, Barded Chaos Steed, Spell Familiar, Dawnstone, Third eye of Tzeentch- 201pts

12x Chaos Warriors- Command, Shields, Mark of Tzeentch- 242pts

12x Chaos Warriors- Command, 2x Hand Weapons, Mark of Khorne- 252pts

32x Marauders- Command, Light Armour, Shields - 212pts

5x Marauder Horsemen- Musician, Throwing Axes- 81pts

5x Warhounds- 30pts

5x Warhounds- 30pts

5x Chaos Knights- Command- 250pts

1x Chaos Chariot- 120pts

1x Chaos Giant- Mark of Slaanesh- 265pts

= 1,992 pts

Preferably I'd like more numbers in the force and, if I had the finance I'd replace the Giant with a Shaggoth, any suggestions are welcomed, Thanks

PS my regular opponents are Skaven and High Elves

Nice list, the only tweak I can advise is to remove the command on the knights (except perhaps the muso).
In order to get look out sir you need at least 5 rank and file models, which the champ does not count towards. This would help your sorc vs warmachine fire greatly.
Knights are also used best when lending their considerable attacks to an already engaged unit, or smashing through weaker units... Either way a banner seems to be more of a liability than a benifit in your current setup.
Muso could still serve a purpose as all small units are endanger of getting static combat'ed if they solo frontal something huge...and the rally bonus in nice, but past that your other engaging unit should have one anyway.
This would save you 50 points which you could then use to give them a mark: although only Tz and Kh are worth the points, and both are amazing. A single made ward save pays for the Tz mark twice over, and since the Kh mark gives the unit frenzy, each model is throwing 3 str 5 and 2 str 4 attack... More than enough to help your smaller footsloggers churn through large units.
This would leave between 20 and 30 points which I would use to give your Kh warriors shields. They can't use them in combat for a variety of reasons, but against templates and small arms fire you are increasing survivability by 17% for the cost of 12 points... Once again a single save will pay for costs twice over.
Past that, I would go with a sorc lord and bsb as heros... As both your opponents have powerful magic that you will want to compete with, and with small medocre leadership units breakcheck rerolls and +1 CR are almost vital additions
hope it helps


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And you might want to consider combining the two warrior units if that is a possibility

First of all thanks for the input and regarding the Knights, they are the old metal models and I'm extremely reluctant to change the models. e.g. removing banners and converting it to a hand weapon etc.. the Mark of Khorne seems a sound investment if they're to help out more.

I'm planning on expanding the two units of warriors to 15 models strong. again the shields idea for the Khorne warriors is a good idea.

what do you think of taking the steed away from the sorcerer then putting him in a unit? I would like to keep a Chaos Lord but what does cutting down on "extras" that are adding up points to fit in a BSB?

I'm not disputing your points at all here, I just really like the idea of a Chaos Lord in a large Marauder unit at the centre, and it's done well for me so far :/

Yeah, I went through a similar evolution in my army... But the great thing a out your first painted army is that it's done! It can only expand, so in that regard yes a bsb is the logical next hero... And splitting the next warrior box between the unit will bulk them to a respectable size... As for the metal knights I also have them, and my opponents are fine as long as you are very clear that the guys are crazed and that flag and horn are actually just hand weapons...
A good bsb is going to run you around 200 points, so if you were willing to drop the Mage to a scroll caddy, and de-hulk your lord you could fit one in... If you don't wanna do that at least consider the raptuous standard as it makes one unit extreemly hard to break.

It really does feel good knowing you have a 99% complete army and you can add whatever you like I completely agree on another box of warriors to split between the existing two units. Thanks for the point on the Knights, the BSB does seem a logical idea, himself and a tooled down Lord in a Marauder unit would be strong in my opinion, numbers, combat res, horde and the lord & BSB's attacks thanks for your contributions and I'll draw another list up, hopefully you can help me out there as well


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And I think the rapturous standard is a sound investment in A unit, even if it isn't on the BSB forgot to mention that point :p

My thoughts banner and musician in knights is a good thing champ well lets say it like this knights are so killy that the champ for 1 extra attack is not worth it.

Chariot not too good for 10 points more a warshrine does more for you maybe a hell cannon would be a good buy because well it covers the back of your army and who dosnt love a str 5 template that causes a check at -1 plus its a monster

Both your lords need a ward save other wise cannons make em go splat.

I'm really sorry but a Hellcannon simply isn't viable, I'm a student and just can't afford it I thought if a Lord was in a unit shooting wasn't a problem and with a Runeshield he didnt have to worry about other characters magic weapons :/

is a warshrine better than a chariot? i always preferred a Chariot because I didn't really think the background to a warshrine was all that great.

Point about the Knights champion taken, it does seem excessive, thanks for the input I'm forming another list soon

Im a student too so i feel your pain but with about 10 bucks a quick stop to a dollar store and a home and garden store you can make a pretty sexy looking cannon with a few bits here and there and you have a cannon

Warshrine gives you good things and its on a chariot base so you pretty much have the model already

Warshrine has nice combat ability too but is a better buff.

I built a knight champ but I use him as a normal knight.

Cannons can snipe you and so can templates other shooting cant except special things but ammulet of preservation on lord is good and endurance on sorcerer is good.

Tz magis mean and gives a nice ward save boost.

Right thanks for all of the contribution and comments, here is another list from the input so far

1x Chaos Lord- Chaos Runeshield, Talisman of Preservation, Favour of the Gods, Mark of Tzeentch- 320pts

1x Chaos Sorcerer- Level 2, Spell Familiar- 135pts

15x Chaos Warriors- Command, Shields, Mark of Tzeentch- 290pts

15x Chaos Warriors- Command, Shields, Mark of Khorne- 300pts

32x Marauders- Command, Light Armour, Shields, Mark of Tzeentch- 232pts

10x Warhounds- 60pts

5x Marauder Horsemen- Throwing Axes, Musician- 81pts

5x Chaos Knights- Standard, Musician- 230pts

1x Chariot- 120pts

1x Chaos Giant- 225pts

1,993pts

The idea is that the Lord has a 3+ Ward Save (if you can combine a parry with an existing ward thats a 2+ in combat!)

the Sorcerer I can place in a unit so he should be relatively safe, and I've given the Khorne warriors shields instead for more survivability, again comments and improvements are welcome but it's sometimes difficult combining everything with the points alloted

You can't parry when frenzied, so shields with khorne is usually a bad idea.
Chaos giant is usually considered an inferior choice to the hellcannon, which is cheaper.
And no, you cannot combine parry with other ward saves (the effect of the mark of tzeench is the exception).

On the block of 15 khorne guys, I'd go with tzeench instead, and either halberds or great weapons.

-Matt

I cannot afford a hellcannon! Haha ok Swap Mark of khorne for tzeentch I'd go halberd rather than great weapons to keep the I5 and oh well about the parry it would have been good if I could

As I said above you can build your own from scratch or with the hepl of dollar store toys costs you 20 bucks tops use a bit of mimagination and you will figureit out.

Halberds are nasty all the way cut down a good portion of strong enemy units befor they try to smack you around.

Sorry I didn't see that point hmmmmmmm I'm just reluctant on a Hellcannon because I'd rather spend the 200points on a big monster. e.g. shaggoth, just because I love the model and I'm a painter and foremost, sorry I don't mean to poo poo your ideas or anything. It can be difficult finding a compromise between everything

Halberd really do seem nasty, lots of str5 attacks on a high WS and I looks promising, I think I need to crunch some numbers first, seeing which is better between them, HW and Shield, or 2HW, I definitely want a unit with Shields and Mark of Tzeentch for the survivability.

When I've got a decent camera and spare time I'll load some pics of what I actually have I really don't mean to argue on the Hellcannon I just don't like the fluff and although its got a good shot I'd rather have something a bit more reliable Ill get another list up soon with some amendments, the same goes with the warshrine regarding background, I'd prefer just to keep things simple and smash a chariot into a unit alongside some marauders/ warriors its the simple things in life

Hellcannon us a big monster great for laying down the hurt and watching your rear.

Chariot is fun but nothing is better than getting charged by some warmachine hunters and the hellcannon just going boo and they run away.

I like the fluff and how effective it is.

HW/Shield is the general consensus for Tzeentch marked warriors, unless you're marking them to be fluffy khorne and halberds is currently the love for halberd warriors.
MoT, Halberds and Frenzy banner works very nicely too imo adding that extra ward save onto the unit.
And I support the using which models you like the look of best approach

I recently decided to make my army all tz so Im stoked to try halberd warriors with rage banner mot this weekend should be good a lil more expensive than mok halberd warriors but hey its for a fun game so no complaints from me.

The extra points for the frenzy which I think you don't lose and the ward save will be well spent

Ya it should be good ward save and frenzy that you cant loose with banner whats not to like That should eat a couple units for sure

Tz magic is really fun.

1 lil question I have extra points (quite a few) to take a spell familiar or a power familiar? thoughts?

Right from my opinion a Tzeentch HW and Shield Warriors Unit with the frenzy banner is the right way to go, along with a Khorne unit with Halberds and Shields. I'm really sorry but I don't think I'll be including a Hellcannon, Vermillion I completely agree about using models you like, especially when you love the painting/ modelling side of the hobby, toning down on "extras" to include a BSB seems a general concensus from earlier so how about this for a list, developing from what you've collectively come up with

PS Sorry If I haven't acted on everyone's points in this list, your input is still appreciate

1x Chaos Lord- Chaos Runeshield, Talisman of Endurance, Mark of Tzeentch- 300pts (placed in the large Marauders unit in the centre)
1x Chaos Sorcerer- Level 2, Spell Familiar- 135pts
1x Exalted Hero- Battle Standard, Shield, Talisman of Preservation- 185pts
32x Marauders- Command, Light Armour, Shields, Mark of Tzeentch- 232pts
15x Warriors- Command, Shields, Mark of Tzeentch, Banner of Rage- 325pts
15x Warriors- Command, Shields, Halberds, Mark of Khorne- 315pts
10x Warhounds- 60pts
5x Marauder Horsemen- Musician, Throwing Axes- 81pts
5x Chaos Knights- Standard, Musician, Champion- 250pts
1x Chaos Chariot- 120pts

(2,003 pts)

The idea here is place the Lord and BSB in the centre with the large Marauder unit, flank them with the two warriors units, (who I think can take care of themselves), place the hounds in front of each warrior unit for protection (split into 2 units of 5), Have the Chariot on one side, with the horsemen and knights on the other, I will probably place the Sorcerer in a warrior unit.

That's the basic idea anyway again comments welcome and wanted (sorry about the hellcannon cowpow)

snackajack93 wrote:
1x Chaos Lord- Chaos Runeshield, Talisman of Endurance, Mark of Tzeentch- 300pts (placed in the large Marauders unit in the centre)
1x Chaos Sorcerer- Level 2, Spell Familiar- 135pts
1x Exalted Hero- Battle Standard, Shield, Talisman of Preservation- 185pts
32x Marauders- Command, Light Armour, Shields, Mark of Tzeentch- 232pts
15x Warriors- Command, Shields, Mark of Tzeentch, Banner of Rage- 325pts
15x Warriors- Command, Shields, Halberds, Mark of Khorne- 315pts
10x Warhounds- 60pts
5x Marauder Horsemen- Musician, Throwing Axes- 81pts
5x Chaos Knights- Standard, Musician, Champion- 250pts
1x Chaos Chariot- 120pts

(2,003 pts)

Rage banner on tizz turtle warriors seems strange to me, as you're sacrificing the 5+ parry and the ability to restrain pursuit / overrun for +5 S4 attaks and ItP. Not really worth it IMO, though I guess the important part might be giving characters in the unit frenzy too? But then you say they're headed for the marauders, so I guess not.

Here's my more functional suggestion: drop the knight champ, he's a very inefficient use of points and the auto-challenge is likely to get you in trouble vs solo-characters. Use his 20 points to pay off your extra 3 points, then invest the extra 17 into marauders or something. If you downgrade the banner of rage into a banner of fire for one of those units, I'd use those points for more marauders too

- Salvage

Hello again! I like the way the list is turning out, but still have a few suggestions...
I would still advise against the full command on the knights, but perhaps playtest bothways and try for yourself.
As Salvage mentioned, you are on the right track with the MoT and Banner of Rage, but you put the combo on the wrong warrior unit! Removing the MoK for a MoT/Banner of Frenzy on the halberds would be much more benifitial. This would save you a net 15 points.
Using those extra points I would dole out a few marks on the knights and sorc, as both benifit greatly from Tz.
Past that the setup looks good, just preference on hero loadouts.
Gl hf let us know how they perform!



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Derp, it wouldn't save you 15 it would cost 25 :( so I would get those points from the knight command for sure

I know this is off topic but I want to upload some photos onto a different forum section showing my warriors of chaos so far, but I'm not great with computers etc how do you actually upload photos onto the website when you are creating a new topic?

PS Ill be putting up another list soon but A level exams and revision are prioritising my time :/