Why is there no autocannon for Devastators?

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**SickSix**

Looking at Maxmini's new anti-tank gun model, made me realize that Devastors can carry nearly every other heavy weapon! Why is there no mobile autocannon? If a normal SM can haul around lascannons, and plasmacannons, why can't they carry around an autocannon?

There are some great third party models out there that could be adapted. What would the rules look like? Keep current stats? Shorten range to reflect shorter barrel? What would it cost?

**Chaos Lord Gir**

CSM get autocannons in their devestators (Havocs)
I find this fair since Loyalists has razorbacks which can tot autocannons and decent predators, whilst us confined to the Eye of Terror have Havocs.

Also the shorter range Autocannon is the Reaper Autocannon, CSM only. 12" less range, twin linked. Lovely.

**Shelegelah**

Well, Chaos Havocs can carry autocannons, and the stats are exactly the same as a normal autocannon.

Not only that, our Chaos Terminators can carry Reaper Autocannons, which are a shorter-range twin-linked version of it.

If you have autocannon fever, perhaps you should consider converting?

[EDIT]: Chaos Lord Gir got me by just under a minute... Damn you, Gir.

**Chaos Lord Gir**

*Bows*

Simply spreading the taint... I mean knowledge.

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**SickSix**

Well damn I didn't know that. That just frustrates me more! I want loyalist autos. I guess I will take a peak at the chaos codex next time I am at my FLGS. Maybe the locals will let me field devastors with autos in friendly games.

**Chaos Lord Gir**

Its more than acceptable, I mean I wouldn't go psycho if you asked me politely to allow it.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Razorbacks can't take Autocannons, which makes sense to me(SM consider it a light tank gun) but it bugs me that Devastators can't either.

**SickSix**

Correct Dr. Robert. Razors can take TL Assault cannons. Not autos.

**smudgethekat**

If you ever do decide to make some models wielding autocannons, simply order a few Chaos Terminator reaper autocannons, cut off the barrels and glue them to a heavy bolter chassis. Looks great.
I have wondered this myself, and in fact have used them a couple times in friendly games. I was not disappointed.

**Avatar 720**

It was probably to make Chaos seem less like spiky-marines. They have weapons that loyalists don't and are therefore more detatched; giving the loyalists everything leaves you with a CSM codex which is basically Codex: Space Marines with a few options removed and a small handful of different units; you might as well just call it Codex: Anti-Space Marines.

**infinite_array**

Man, I'd be happy to pay 20 points to put a TL autocannon on a Razorback.

**SickSix**

Avatar 720 wrote:It was probably to make Chaos seem less like spiky-marines. They have weapons that loyalists don't and are therefore more detatched; giving the loyalists everything leaves you with a CSM codex which is basically Codex: Space Marines with a few options removed and a small handful of different units; you might as well just call it Codex: Anti-Space Marines.

I get what your saying. But they can keep the TL reaper version. I just want the vanilla autocannon for devastators. And I don't think that would ruing the whole Chaos SM codex. I mean, they still have plenty to hold onto.

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infinite_array wrote:Man, I'd be happy to pay 20 points to put a TL autocannon on a Razorback.

Eh. I say give the predator TL autos for +25 pts.

**purplefood**

Fluff reasons.
The autocannon was in heavy usage during the GC and the HH but was being phased out by the HH and only the loyalists completed their switch over whereas the traitors kept their weapons.

**SickSix**

purplefood wrote:Fluff reasons.
The autocannon was in heavy usage during the GC and the HH but was being phased out by the HH and only the loyalists completed their switch over whereas the traitors kept their weapons.

Do you haven any sources for this?

**tiekwando**

Wasn't it basically that the assault cannon replaced the autocannon... cant remember where I heard that though

**Kanluwen**

purplefood wrote:Fluff reasons.
The autocannon was in heavy usage during the GC and the HH but was being phased out by the HH and only the loyalists completed their switch over whereas the traitors kept their weapons.

The funny thing is I can't really think of too many instances in the HH books where the 'Reaper' cannon has been mentioned.

The thing you're also forgetting is that the traitors also got assault cannons during the HH. The issue is that they were not in full scale distribution by that time, just many of the more important Legions got them.

**Riddick40k**

Well what I find odd is why can't devastators take heavy Flamers?

**Praxiss**

I'm guessing because Devastators are supposed to be long range support so have long range weapons.

But saying thatthey can also take Multi-Meltas as well i think?

**tiekwando**

They are able to take multi-meltas

**Gavin Thorne**

5 Man squad of Sternguard w/ 2 Heavy Flamers and 3 combi-flamers. Call them Devestator veterans...

I was pondering the Autocannon for devies question just night before last as well as the TL Autocannon for a predator. I'd be happy to pay +25 points to get a TL AC turret or AC toting devies...

**Melkhiordarkblade**

Well Devastators have Plasma Cannons,they are way better at taking down heavy infantry then the Autocannon.

Chaos havocs don't have Plasma Cannons so they a left with the lousy Autocannon.

The Autocannon doesn't have much more punch then a Heavy bolter.

**Chaos Lord Gir**

Melkhiordarkblade wrote:The Autocannon doesn't have much more punch then a Heavy bolter.

Last I checked the Autocannon was totting a +2 strength advantage over the heavy bolter.

**tiekwando**

autocannon is better because it has utility against meq and their transports. Heavy bolter is only good against infantry.

**Darkjediben**

And 1 less shot. Wounding on 3s instead of 2s but with one more shot kinda evens out.

And please, don't math-hammer me, I'm sure one is .something% more effective, I don't really care, I just mean roughly.

**svendrex**

They are probably very similar in their ability to damage infantry.

The difference is that the Auto-Cannon is one of the better weapons against light AV (10-12). Since massed light AV is the common competitive metagame right now, it makes the autocannon a much better weapon than the heavy bolter

**Cottonjaw**

svendrex wrote:They are probably very similar in their ability to damage infantry.

The difference is that the Auto-Cannon is one of the better weapons against light AV (10-12). Since massed light AV is the common competitive metagame right now, it makes the autocannon a much better weapon than the heavy bolter

This.

The Autocannon is great at taking out LAV. Two words: Imperial Guard.

**Sam__theRelentless**

IDK whether the autocannon should be allowed as a Devastator option, but either way, would you take one? I mean, the only advantage I can possibly think of is getting 48" range (but as mentioned this might not be accurate fluff-wise), and we've even got lascannons for that. Otherwise, the other weapons options can cover every other base.

That being said, it would sort of complete the "utter versatility" picture of the SMs. I would think the CSMs should be the ones with "less" weapons options.

**tiekwando**

It would be ok as a replacement for the missile luancher if it was the same points. could look at statistics but probably pretty similar against infantry (better against 4+ and 5+ saves) while being slightly worse against armor (though again maybe better against av10)

**Avatar 720**

Sam__theRelentless wrote:That being said, it would sort of complete the "utter versatility" picture of the SMs. I would think the CSMs should be the ones with "less" weapons options.

We already have "less" weapon options. Our Havocs can take HB, ML, AC, LC; Devs can take HB, ML, LC, PC, MM, with both our troops able to access the same weapons as their respective heavy counterparts.

**Sam__theRelentless**

Okay, in that case I don't think it's necessary. Especially seeing as it wouldn't actually be used, as discussed.

Rule of threes: when there are more than three weapons options, only three will ever get used.

Edit: except no, you're right. The exception to that is Devs. Sorry, actually