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titan knights are the missing link between titans and regular walkers.
they carry heavier weapons than your average walker but not the superheavy weapons of a titan.
there armour is lighter than a titans but heavier than a walkers.
they have sheilds but cannot regenerate them like titans.
they are the titan knights and they are your worst knightmare

Titan Knight 350 pts
WS S BS F S R A I LD
4 6 4 13 12 11 3 4 10

fast walker

arment
battlecannon
twin linked heavy bolter
dread close combat weapon

void sheilds 1

structure points 1

electro hull defences
every model in base contact with the titan knight takes a S4 hit at Init 10 and AP4
anything so wounded by this must make a strength test or be pushed back d6" thus
effectively removeing it from combat

options

may replace battlecannon with:
vanquisher cannon +10pts
Demolisher cannon +10pts
nova cannon +5pts
plasma enialator +5pts
inferno cannon +5pts
vanquisher autocannon -5pts
punisher gatling +10pts

may replace twinlinked lascannons with:
twin autocannons +0pts
twin lascannons +10pts
twin assaultcannons +5pts

may replace dread cc weapon with:
power lance 2d6 AP and +2 attacks on the turn it charges +15pts
power sword +2 initative in combat +5pts

extra voids
+20pts per void.

upgrade to veteran +30pts
I, WS and BS get +1. gain the prefferd enemy special rule.
this upgrade may be bought aswellas 1 of the below

upgrade to lancer +20pts
WS7 BS3 I6 replace battlecannon with another dread cc weapon and twin linked weapon. titan knight may run 2d6" AND assault

upgrade to warden +35
armour becomes F13 S13 R11 BS6 gain an extra twinlinked weapon and an extra structure point. titan knight loses fast walker abilitie.

upgrade to paladin +25
WS6 BS6 and gain sheild of faith
sheild of faith
a unit containing a model with this ability gains a 3++ save

special rules
the titan knight cant regenerate its voids. its generator isnt big enough

opinions?

Why Initiative 5? Even Warhounds are I1, something like this should be I3 at the very most. And also, the WS and BS levels are a bit extreme, they would only be 4 for something like this.

I dont think you included a base strength. Well It seems like you're quite similar to other people ideas. I still dont know whether fast walkers exist. Since the Autocannons/Heavy Bolters actually reduce points, perhaps have that as the default equipment? I dont think I know any 40k entry that actually reduce points besides removing jump packs. 450 also seems very pricey for something that can get dark lanced or meltagunned to death

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Titan Knight 450 pts
WS BS F S R A I LD
4 4 14 14 14 4 2 10

I think this is better for a 450 point value.

pedant/

Knights are not Titans.

You appear to have spelt ordnance wrong

/pedant

My apologies for that.

Most walkers have less armour than that Sicksix indicates, perhaps 13/13/11 with added structure points say 1 or 2. Certainly the rear should be less armoured.

IIRC from the original Epic WD article Knights also held conversion/refractor field tech and were armed with an electric discharge generator (short range defence weapon) for repelling carnosaur attacks. Not sure what for that would take but it might be a nice touch back to the original intent.

Not sure what this would do to the cost though?

SickSix wrote:

Titan Knight 450 pts
WS BS F S R A I LD
4 4 14 14 14 4 2 10

I think this is better for a 450 point value.

That would make it pretty much invincible though especially in CC

Warhound Titans are much bigger than a Knight (not)Titan and have less armor than that. I agree that 13 as front should be sufficient, not sure about rest

kenshin620 wrote:

SickSix wrote:

Titan Knight 450 pts
WS BS F S R A I LD
4 4 14 14 14 4 2 10

I think this is better for a 450 point value.

That would make it pretty much invincible though especially in CC

Warhound Titans are much bigger than a Knight (not)Titan and have less armor than that. I agree that 13 as front should be sufficient, not sure about rest

This would be sufficient:

WS3 BS3 S7 AV (13/12/11) I2 A2

ive updated a bit.

ordnance is spelt wrong because i created this acount during lunch break and noticed i was late back.

Interesting stuff, unsure about the electro hull defense, I10 and str 8 has the potential to devastate most normal squads before they even get to strike.
Should non dedicated CC squads be able to swamp a Knight? Some may say no, I persoanlly would say yes hence
I'd amend that to maybe str5, maybe str6.

Unsure of the points for the upgrades too. Seems quite cheap to get a serious stats/abilities increase. e.g 20 ponts to veteran means its hitting on 2s, will strike first vs most units and has PE, allowing some serious rerolls.

Infact the upgrade abilities seem a little OTT in general.
I'll need to have a think about alternatives.

I'd amend the rear armor to 10 aswell.

I'd reduce the A to 3 aswell, 5 on the charge for a walker is a lot imho.

amending

Well the best way for the Electro-Hull thing would be something along the lines of the following: "Any model in base contact of the Knight suffers an automatic wound on a 4+ before any blows are struck."

Ouch! That is a nasty piece of kit! Got any pics of the finished model?

So... is this supposed to be like, the imperial equivalent of a megadread?

terranarc wrote:So... is this supposed to be like, the imperial equivalent of a megadread?

Yep! 'Cept the Mega Dred is more killy.

RE the electro hull, the electrical discharge I refered to was actually the equivelent of a pie plate extending from the base in Epic. Not sure if that is of any use?

In this contact or in the use you suggest it should be S4 max. In fluff terms it was only meant to drive off agrssive carnosaurs not kill everything with extreme prejudice!

You realise Mr Ordinance, that assuming you're referring to explosive munitions, your name is spelt wrong? (ordnance) Just checking...

Also, as others have said, Knights are not titans.

Just Dave wrote:You realise Mr Ordinance, that assuming you're referring to explosive munitions, your name is spelt wrong? (ordnance) Just checking...

Also, as others have said, Knights are not titans.

sigh.... here we go again.
Twas lunch break and i was busy
creating all kind of dangerous um er oh feth this
look it was the end of lunch i was in a rush and i was tired(i dont sleep well. 99.9999999'%chance nightmares. and my normal dreams are equivalent to most peoples nightmares) and i dropped that one little I in by mistake. ill put something about it in my sig.

i have now updated the electro defense rules.


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Colonel-Commissar wrote:Ouch! That is a nasty piece of kit! Got any pics of the finished model?

not yet sos. im converting 1 out of an old gundam kit i had lying around. however i think that the dread knight would make a suitable basis for a conversion. or a seintiel if you want your lancers to look "fast".

You might want to go with 2 structure points since they only have 1 void shield. Also, are you trying to make these things similar to the knights that were in Mechanicus? I think those things had 1 titan sized weapon.