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Simple question really, would you play against a fluffy army, even if its illegal?

Like Calgar leading the 1st company terminators, Entire Dreadnought chapter, Army of Incubi led by Drazhar etc

It wouldnt really give a massive advantage most of the time, and it would look extremely cool. I would, would you????

Also what armies would you not ply against? 1st company ultramarines wouldnt have that much of an advantage, but I wouldnt go near a thunderwolf only SW army.

I probably would. If it's cheesy, I probably wouldn't.

In a friendly game, with fluffy army against fluffy army, on in a special scenario - It seems very interesting !

(I am always very interested by fluff games, anyway)

Grenat wrote:In a friendly game, with fluffy army against fluffy army, on in a special scenario - It seems very interesting !

(I am always very interested by fluff games, anyway)

Yeah, this is all me and my mates play, we dont make them chessey, in fact, the majority of the time a fluffy list would not be optimal.

But, fluffy campaigns are a hard thing to do, you will always get someone, TFG how comes along with 20 odd Hydras, and claims its the AA division of 112th regiment of who gives a feth

Toastedandy wrote:Entire Dreadnought chapter, Army of Incubi led by Drazhar etc
It wouldnt really give a massive advantage most of the time, and it would look extremely cool.

Seems like your army concept is to chose the strongest unit in the Codex and make a complete list out of them.
I would call that a slight advantage

Kroothawk wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Entire Dreadnought chapter, Army of Incubi led by Drazhar etc
It wouldnt really give a massive advantage most of the time, and it would look extremely cool.

Seems like your army concept is to chose the strongest unit in the Codex and make a complete list out of them.
I would call that a slight advantage

They were just examples
Dreadnought only armies arent as good as they would sound, after all you only have about 10 maybe for 1500, They would slaughter some armies, barely survive too turn 3 with others
Incubi have no guns, their biggest weakness is that they are too strong, a one hit wonder as their assaults usually leave them open too shooting,

Depends. In a friendly game where it has been agreed in advance.

Ive been thinking of running a LatD list using the old chaos codex. The army would be very fluffy but overall quite weak. The only chance of victory would be to overwhelm the enemy and hope enough of my troops survive. By the way the LatD list is still playable even without using the i.g or chaos codex to support it.

Depends. It has to be cool fluffy, and it has to be OK'd with me beforehand.

I don't have a huge issue with it I suppose.

You should also keep in mind that you can largely do the list you're talking about by just using another one of the Marine Codices. That way, you can be fluffy and legal if you like.

Either way, it shouldn't matter much in a friendly basement game.

Recently, I played with mech Eldar vs. SM including an Achilles LR.
This tanks is almost indestructable and I wiped out most of his army, but not this tank.

Guess you didn't think to shoot at the Tank's heel?

Kroothawk wrote:Seems like your army concept is to chose the strongest unit in the Codex and make a complete list out of them.
I would call that a slight advantage

And the difference between this and razorback spam (or similar unimaginative army lists) is? Beside legality, that is....

Kroothawk wrote:

Toastedandy wrote:Entire Dreadnought chapter, Army of Incubi led by Drazhar etc
It wouldnt really give a massive advantage most of the time, and it would look extremely cool.

Seems like your army concept is to chose the strongest unit in the Codex and make a complete list out of them.
I would call that a slight advantage

Indeed.

It's like if you said "I like lootaboyz so here's an army hwere lootaboyz are troops, elites, fast attack, heavy support, and a lootboy boss for HQ"...

They all have BS2 and Deffguns. The Boss is relentless, everyone else can either shoot, or move.

If somebody wanted to play a fluffy space marine army and wanted to play against my unit of Kairos with his Tzeentch Prince body guards....I'd be all for it Say hello to wound allocation madness. Honestly though, it depends on the build. I've found some VERY cheesy "fluff" armies and have agreed to play, only to get stomped so badly and have them gloat when they won with an illegal list that it's largely turned me off.

Anvildude wrote:They all have BS2 and Deffguns. The Boss is relentless, everyone else can either shoot, or move.

And there's 100 of them in a 1500 point army, so the BS2 isn't that big of a deal.

Watching them deal with a land raider would be hilarious though.

Toastedandy wrote:They were just examples
Dreadnought only armies arent as good as they would sound, after all you only have about 10 maybe for 1500, They would slaughter some armies, barely survive too turn 3 with others
Incubi have no guns, their biggest weakness is that they are too strong, a one hit wonder as their assaults usually leave them open too shooting,

But the examples show a bias towards cheese, when you always chose the same background "My army is reknown as invincible and made up of the best elite/heavy units only."

I would like to be able to make a scout only force and use LSS as dedicated transports for Scout squads.

It wouldn't be hard, with a bit of creative modeling, to have a "counts as" army that fits the fluff you want without being outside of the rules at all.

Use the Deathwing Rules for the Calgar/Terminators for example.

Kroothawk wrote:
But the examples show a bias towards cheese, when you always chose the same background "My army is reknown as invincible and made up of the best elite/heavy units only."

10 dreads would not at all be cheese, they would barely last till turn 3. An Incubi only army would be cheese on bases, but fething awesome looking.

They were'nt really good examples in fairness though. And you would always get TFG ruining the fun
But what about chaos with daemons from the good ole days
or 1500 points of zombies
just fluffy army vs fluffy army, both players not going for cheese

It really depends on how over the top it is.

I would just have to say no. Play by your codex, I don't want to start allowing fluff lists as I feel the whole just spam the imba unit would happen.

Non-Tournament? I don't care. I'll play against anything pretty much.

cvtuttle wrote:Non-Tournament? I don't care. I'll play against anything pretty much.

Good man, need more like you in the hobby

Toastedandy wrote:

10 dreads would not at all be cheese, they would barely last till turn 3.

I regularly run a 9 dread BA list, and it very much lasts past Turn 3. The list is actually undefeated because people keep conceding to Dreads that have Fleet or can fly and are protected by magic.

purplefood wrote:I would like to be able to make a scout only force and use LSS as dedicated transports for Scout squads.

This. Scout Armies just rock my socks. It's too bad that their win/loss ratio is barely 50/50 for me.

I've fielded a Catachan type IG list before. Plenty of Forward Sentry and Demolition Veterans, scout sentinels, no transports, etc, That was loads of fun. Alternatively, I've also fielded a sort of Kaskrin force, Grenadier Veterans with a whole lot of stormtroopers.

I've also fielded Horde Nids without any MC's. This was surprisingly effective the few days I brought this out.

One of my more favorite games in the last couple years was a game with a ton of industrial terrain with my mainly genestealers list (almost all genestealers except for a single Prime,) versus footslogging Blood Angels Termies. Space Hulk anyone?