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I don't see why people are so scared of Basilisk gun lines?

I understand if its like 9 basilisks but if its like 2 or 3, I can easily just outflank/scout with a vendetta, drop a 3x melta vet squad and just pop all of them(basilisk are the very fragile things)

I know that they're cheap but 3 basilisk cost 375 points
A vendetta and a 3x melta sqaud would cost about 230 points and its likely that both will survive in the process of taking the basilisk

Because not every list has, I don't know, Vendettas or melta vet squads? Funny, right? Every GK, SW, BA, C:SM, Tau, Necron, SoB, Ork, DE, Eldar, DA, BT and Tyranid list should have them! They should be auto-include!

Just want to point out that, while they're not really that scary, the reason you posted why they're not scary for you doesn't apply to everyone else. So think of other reasons.

I play orks. They kill anything not loaded into battlewagons, and even then, a chance of wrecking them as well. Not a fan of the gun lines.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:I understand if its like 9 basilisks but if its like 2 or 3, I can easily just outflank/scout with a vendetta, drop a 3x melta vet squad and just pop all of them(basilisk are the very fragile things)

Because not everyone plays IG
or
IG with Vendetta melta vets

I hate gunlines when I play my orks. I dislike playing gunlines with more than a 24" range when I play my Grey Knights.

I don't see many basilisk gun lines, but running mechanized orks, I really only need one turn of movement to get in range of their guns and destroy them. If I don't get first turn? Well, I just hope that any applicable KFF saves are made, or that he just scatters badly.

"I don't know why every guard players think bolters are powerful guns. God, I mean, I still get my 3+ armor save from them."

Most armies don't have any quick easy way to wipe out properly hid basilisks. You're arguing from the point of view of your own army, not that of your opponents. Stop thinking like you and start thinking like them.

Basilisks are almost auto-win buttons designed to punish armies with no transports or solutions to artillery.

The same way deepstrike and outflanking armies punish artillery gunlines with no proper countercharge support or bubble wrapping.

I haven't seen anyone who is really scared of them my friend who has marines/deamon hunters has one and it's not very impressive against my guard army but i do think that if you have 3+ well painted and in a line it does look quite impressive i think it's the assumed effectiveness not the actual effectiveness people are scared of as in real wars artillery is very effective.

Basilisks are almost auto-win buttons designed to punish armies with no transports or solutions to artillery.

The same way deepstrike and outflanking armies punish artillery gunlines with no proper countercharge support or bubble wrapping.

This is true

I drop my basilisks in the corner and shell the entire board while they are wrapped in the bubble wrap that is a 20 man blob. Sure, my blob doesn't do anything to cap objectives, but it is worth it when each turn I can drop 2 or 3 pie plates anywhere I want.

-cgmckenzie

Ele-Boom wrote:Basilisks are almost auto-win buttons designed to punish armies with no transports or solutions to artillery.

The same way deepstrike and outflanking armies punish artillery gunlines with no proper countercharge support or bubble wrapping.

I personally dislike fielding anything with a minimum range longer than 12," because If you face a fast assaulty army, your basalisks get to fire maybe once before eveything is in their minimum range. Of course, if you have like nine basalisks, then that one turn of firing may be enough. Imho, russes and manticores are a better choice.

loota boy wrote:I personally dislike fielding anything with a minimum range longer than 12," because If you face a fast assaulty army, your basalisks get to fire maybe once before eveything is in their minimum range.

And then they switch over to direct-fire mode?

The minimum range of 36" only applies to barrage-fire.

Aren't Basilisks guns barage weapons? doesn't that induce pinning tests? Add that to their range, strength, and large blast template... I'd say you have a pretty formidable gun line.

2 Fire modes.
Also they are 1 per heavy slot, less scary than squadrons of LR :'<

I don't know of to many people who are afraid of them, I just think that they're annoying really. They're pretty fragile, so once you're able to shoot at them you'll probably destroy them. The only promlem is getting over to that corner to shoot them, that just sucks.

Janthkin wrote:

loota boy wrote:I personally dislike fielding anything with a minimum range longer than 12," because If you face a fast assaulty army, your basalisks get to fire maybe once before eveything is in their minimum range.

And then they switch over to direct-fire mode?

The minimum range of 36" only applies to barrage-fire.

...



Just ignore me. Ill just sit over here and be stupid.

1 per heavy slot? I think you can take them in squadrons too.

djphranq wrote:1 per heavy slot? I think you can take them in squadrons too.

Wow you are right. k 9 Basilisk is scary @_@!!

bassies suffer from being weakly armored. i took mine out of my army and used the chassis for chimeras. they're more useful really. especially in a regular size game.

artillery really doesn't come into its own until it's in apocalypse, on a huge board.

otherwise, settle for russes, vets, and valks.

The main thing that bothers me about bringing Basilisks is constantly having to explain how they work. Yes I can move and fire ordnance now, it's been possible since 4th edition. Plus the aforementioned direct fire ignoring minimum range thing.

As for effectiveness, they're cool and all but don't overdo it and certainly don't expect them to carry the game for you. Nine Basilisks does sound scary but it had better be for over a thousand points and all of your heavy support. In a normal game that's more than half your points in nine models that aren't terribly sturdy.

Raxmei wrote:The main thing that bothers me about bringing Basilisks is constantly having to explain how they work. Yes I can move and fire ordnance now, it's been possible since 4th edition. Plus the aforementioned direct fire ignoring minimum range thing.

As for effectiveness, they're cool and all but don't overdo it and certainly don't expect them to carry the game for you. Nine Basilisks does sound scary but it had better be for over a thousand points and all of your heavy support. In a normal game that's more than half your points in nine models that aren't terribly sturdy.

What if you other half of your army is with vets in chimeras?
then thats one whole chimera line protecting the basilisk,
and one line of infantry protecting the chimeras
all while the 9 basilisk indirect fire

I never played vs 9 basilisk before , i played vs 3 ,
and the 3 are enough to tear my Eldar vehicle heavy army apart.
and i imagine most of the transport heavy armies as well ones that cannot come on board in reserve.

They're frightening because they eat mech for breakfast, when they hit. Of course they're much less scary when they don't hit.

I've run some games where I field three of them and they don't managed to even hit before they get taken off the board.

9 of them probably isn't practical. They'd be 1125pts total, leaving just 375 left for everything else in a 1500pt game.

Thatguyoverthere wrote:They're frightening because they eat mech for breakfast, when they hit. Of course they're much less scary when they don't hit.

I've run some games where I field three of them and they don't managed to even hit before they get taken off the board.

9 of them probably isn't practical. They'd be 1125pts total, leaving just 375 left for everything else in a 1500pt game.

2 bassies +1 manticore=410=lots of points left over for the rest of the army.

One bassie in each corner=100% of the board can be hit with an indirect fire round.

Raxmei wrote:The main thing that bothers me about bringing Basilisks is constantly having to explain how they work. Yes I can move and fire ordnance now, it's been possible since 4th edition. Plus the aforementioned direct fire ignoring minimum range thing.

As for effectiveness, they're cool and all but don't overdo it and certainly don't expect them to carry the game for you. Nine Basilisks does sound scary but it had better be for over a thousand points and all of your heavy support. In a normal game that's more than half your points in nine models that aren't terribly sturdy.

That is one thing bad about the manticore it cant move and fire :(

Ive never seen a 9 basilisk list , and if I played it I dont think I would be very scared.

have you actually seen this list run?

I'm more afraid of three manticores.

You mean it can not move and fire indirect... direct fire mode is still available though when you move

I hate pie, in a Apoc game I attracted the attention of a 9 gun line of basilisks and took pie for 6 turns, not fun.

The Basilisk gunline really isn't that scary unless there is a lot of line of sight blocking terrain they can hide behind which is usually not the case. Basilisks are often open topped so you have +1 on the damage table and if they are in squadrons an immobilized result kills so they die pretty easy if you can actually shoot them. If they are out of line of sight you can rush them so they can't shoot barrage.

Basilisks is not as effective as one might think on paper. The blasts are not that effective at hitting small vehicles like Rhinos and AP3 large templates are less effective if you are spread out have a cover save.

Manticores are much more effective because of the ability to get multiple shots and strength 10 is better versus vehicles with the basilisk ap3 being not relevant most of the time because of cover saves.