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Hey guys, i just want to know what character is the worst, for any reason, game or fluff wise. no poll as there is heaps that could be nominated.

Abbadon the Despoiler. See the topic about that if you want to know why.

thenoobbomb wrote:Abbadon the Despoiler.

He got it.

Kaldor Draigo. What the hell was Mat Ward thinking.

There's a lot of characters for specifically fluff, but if you want one of both gameplay and lacking unexplained fluff all in one page go with

Aun'Va Master of the Undying Stupid MarySue Wannabe

ChiliPowderKeg wrote:
Aun'Va Master of the Undying Stupid MarySue Wannabe

I agree. He sucks in/at EVERYTHING.

Sledgio wrote:

thenoobbomb wrote:Abbadon the Despoiler.

He got it.

Would be nice to get a reason.....

There is an entire topic about that.

Don't worry i found it.

Despite being built up as the almighty nemesis of The Imperium, he has failed, 13 times to actually achieve his goals. The most recent Crusade, I admit, is still continuing, but as it is just now, Chaos is still confined to the few systems around the Cadian Gate.

But that only matters if you read and get involved with all the fluff, now i personally don't really read much of the fluff. And also, the Imperium are the good guys, of course there going to win, just like Mario always beats Bowser....

What your point? The question was in fluff or game-wise. In fluff, he's rubbish.
Of course The Imperium is going to win but that doesn't make any difference. Abbaddon has effectively failed 11 times, with one undecided. You have to remember that we're talking about the 40k universe so real-world reasoning doesn't apply.

Mario isn't in the real world.....Not quite sure what the real world has to do with this...
He might be rubbish in the fluff, but he was never going to win. In most popular stories/games/films whatever when its good guys vs bad guys, good guys always win. 40k Universe is no different to anything else. Abaddon isn't a real person, who wrote his own fluff. the GW writers just decided to go along with every other typical good vs bad story and have the good guys win, over and over again.

- He hits himself sometimes
- He fails at most things (black crusaades..)
- and so on..


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Oh, and in overlord the bad guys win..

thenoobbomb wrote:- He hits himself sometimes
- He fails at most things (black crusaades..)
- and so on..


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Oh, and in overlord the bad guys win..

1. Yes one in six turns he hits himself.... Thats one downpoint in his stats. He's not perfect, but he is still very very good in game. He is the best CSM character, closely (very closely) followed by Kharn in game...
2. Fails at most things? The only example you have is Black Crusades, as i have already said twice, he's the bad guy, he doesn't win.
3. And so on, and so on what? 'and so on...' means absolutely nothing.
4. Overlord, wow one examples. I can list 100s of examples of stories, games, films etc where the good guys win.

rodgers37 wrote:Mario isn't in the real world.....Not quite sure what the real world has to do with this...
He might be rubbish in the fluff, but he was never going to win. In most popular stories/games/films whatever when its good guys vs bad guys, good guys always win. 40k Universe is no different to anything else. Abaddon isn't a real person, who wrote his own fluff. the GW writers just decided to go along with every other typical good vs bad story and have the good guys win, over and over again.

The point went right over your head.
The 40k universe is entirely separate from real-world cliches, when talking about it, reasoning doesn't apply in the same way hence in the 40k universe, Abbaddon is a failure.

iproxtaco wrote:

rodgers37 wrote:Mario isn't in the real world.....Not quite sure what the real world has to do with this...
He might be rubbish in the fluff, but he was never going to win. In most popular stories/games/films whatever when its good guys vs bad guys, good guys always win. 40k Universe is no different to anything else. Abaddon isn't a real person, who wrote his own fluff. the GW writers just decided to go along with every other typical good vs bad story and have the good guys win, over and over again.

The point went right over your head.
The 40k universe is entirely separate from real-world cliches, when talking about it, reasoning doesn't apply in the same way hence in the 40k universe, Abbaddon is a failure.

What?
I'm not talking about the real world. I'm talking about things that are made up. Like the 40k Universes. Its made up. Of course the same things apply, just because there is probably nothing else like it, doesn't mean 'real world cliches' don't apply. (Not quite sure why you think they are real world cliches, were not talking about the real world, were talking about stories, good doesn't beat evil in the real world). I really really don't understand what you think the 40k Universe is....

You misunderstand. Saying that Abbaddon was designed to fail because The Imperium are the protagonists is an application of real-world cliches and isn't a reason to dismiss the character. In the 40k universe, independent of our real-world cliches, Abbaddon has failed in his tasks.

rodgers37 wrote:But that only matters if you read and get involved with all the fluff, now i personally don't really read much of the fluff. And also, the Imperium are the good guys, of course there going to win, just like Mario always beats Bowser....

Super Princess Peach sir, the master Mario is Not always the victor. And we Finally have solid proof the Peach has a terrible case of learned helplessness

iproxtaco wrote:You misunderstand. Saying that Abbaddon was designed to fail because The Imperium are the protagonists is an application of real-world cliches and isn't a reason to dismiss the character. In the 40k universe, independent of our real-world cliches, Abbaddon has failed in his tasks.

I didn't say its a reason to dismiss the character did i? I purely gave an example of why he always fails, i didn't say (or at least didn't mean to) say that Abaddon doesn't fail in all his black crusades. But tbh, i don't really mind as long as he performs on the table, which is what i care about i still like him.

Games in wich the good guys win? Boring!
Always play as much evil as ya want

rodgers37 wrote:

iproxtaco wrote:You misunderstand. Saying that Abbaddon was designed to fail because The Imperium are the protagonists is an application of real-world cliches and isn't a reason to dismiss the character. In the 40k universe, independent of our real-world cliches, Abbaddon has failed in his tasks.

I didn't say its a reason to dismiss the character did i? I purely gave an example of why he always fails, i didn't say (or at least didn't mean to) say that Abaddon doesn't fail in all his black crusades. But tbh, i don't really mind as long as he performs on the table, which is what i care about i still like him.

Your response to the reasons I gave for why just seemed like you were making excuses.

lol, souns like me

Dunno. All the mentioned characters make enough sense for me. Neither is anywhere near the brain-dead hilarity of guys like Maugan Ra (Skull-helmet and scythe? check! Killing entire Hive Fleets on his own? Check! Walking the Chaos realms by himself before Draigo made it cool? Check! Master-fencer with a friggin cannon? Check!).

Oh, and lets not forget the brilliance of that Dark Eldar guy called "the Decapitator" wielding a weapon called ... *drum roll* "the Decapitator" that he uses to ... *more drum roll* "decapitate" people. Also, he has his own private Dimension where he collects the "decapitated" heads, and the day when he has collected enough "decapitated" heads, the universe will end (screw ya Nids, Chaos, 'Crons, whoever you are).

Seriously, the sheer amount of utter brain-dead, fail-on-arrival fluff-turd abominations found in the Eldar and Dark Eldar Codex outshines anything and everything else in the 40K universe. Except for Canis Wolfborn perhaps, but thats another story.

I disagree with the Imperium being labled as the "good guys". They may be the the side in which the narrative derives from but they are certainly not the "good guys". Which is what makes the 40k fluff so compelling, since everyone is basically xenophobic killers (very realistic)

Yarrick is pretty damn awful in the game tho

Draigo or Abbadon, both are mega fail in fluff....

When labelled the 'good guys', I'm certain that many people mean that they are the protagonists, and not that they are actually 'good'.

Draigo's just got a bad case of Marty Stue. He's too good, but not bad.

Abbaddon's just fail.






Frankly, I think Eldrad's a bit of an odd ball and deserves mention.

He's technically dead, but still in the codex. every other character, with the exception of Captain Tycho, in 40k is at least alive or presumed alive.




though, the Space Pope wins this thread hands down.

Another vote for Aun'Va. Not only is his fluff boring/weak, he's worse than useless on the battlefield. He doesn't just do very little for the Tau army, he helps the enemy too (when he dies).

I always mock Abbaddon too, but at least he has some uses in-game.

I know who is the biggest fail: BOREALE!!!!

SPESS MAHRENNESSS!!!!!! But seriously, to lose 400 battle brother like this....or was it 300?
No matter, to lose that many marines is just - fail.