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Looking at possible builds for the invitational...here's a variant on my 2000 point army:

Fateweaver - 333
The Masque - 100

6x Bloodcrushers w/ Icon, Instrument, and Fury - 280

5x Plaguebearers - 75
5x Plaguebearers - 75
5x Plaguebearers - 75
5x Plaguebearers - 75

Daemon Prince w/ MoN, Iron Hide, Flight, Breath, Noxious Touch, Cloud of Flies - 245
Daemon Prince w/ MoN, Iron Hide, Flight, Breath, Noxious Touch, Cloud of Flies - 245
Daemon Prince w/ MoN, Iron Hide, Flight, Breath, Noxious Touch, Cloud of Flies - 245

Total - 1748

Fairly standard Fatecrusher. What do you think?

A very durable list, minus of course the masque. But There are scarier things on the board, like those 3 princes flying around causing havoc. I like the simplicity of the troops, strong choices, but not as much offensive capability as I like out of daemon troops. Personally, I think it is a solid list, as long as your fateweaver is in the middle of your princes and crushers. But I feel like you are a bit short on offensive capabilities, with your troops have very little threat, and then that leaves 1 crusher squad, 3 princes for your offensive. Fateweaver does do damage, but anyone smart will not try to break through his 3++ rerollable invuln, unless they can get a mass torrent on fire on him. But of course after that happens, your princes and crushers would cut them in half.
If it was my list, i might try to fit in skulltaker on a crusher for more punch, or a herald with unholy might for some surprising tank bashing. A very durable list, but I just like to play daemons with a little more...punch them in the face type lists.

I would suggest that you move some points around so you have two squads of four crushers with command. But you just won a tourney so you do what you want lol.

I like it.
My fatecrusher is similar, however i run a thirster and x2 nurgle princes, i also run x2 full command crushers and a squad of fiends. With the extra punch it means i only run x2 MSU of plaguebearers.

I like it, but compared to my list, it feels it has less threats numerically. I'm not sure about the squad of 6 crushers, you'd have to DS conversatively. I like the masque, i think she will earn her points in this list but i just couldnt stomach not taking another greater daemon for intimidation factor. Also, any LR spam list, you will get wrecked.

If you decide to take it, please let me know how it works!

BBJ

The MSU plaguebearers are what win games...I like having 4 squads of them. Seems like the magic number.

What about dropping CoF from one of the Princes, then replace the 6-man crusher squad with this?

3x Bloodcrushers w/ Icon and Fury - 155
3x Bloodcrushers w/ Fury - 130

Easier to deepstrike and allows me to threaten more targets. Only problem I see is that 3 crushers don't have a whole lot of punch...

Drop The Masque, use Herald of Tzeentch Master of Sorcery, Bolt of Tzeentch, Chariot of Tzeentch I love the concept of The Masque but she can not join units etc... its just not a good 100 pts drop IMHO.

The Masque is brutal with crushers. Did ya do well in the last tourney ya played? ha, i remember helping ya with the list and forgot to ask how it went!...

This seems like a solid list, and I agree, dropping the CoF for fury is a WISE decesion... Just the little things right? ha.


Looks very solid

Everytime I have played The Masque she was a bullet magnet, but maybe in this list with a large amount of big things around she might have some sustainability.

xSoulgrinderx wrote:The Masque is brutal with crushers. Did ya do well in the last tourney ya played? ha, i remember helping ya with the list and forgot to ask how it went!...

This seems like a solid list, and I agree, dropping the CoF for fury is a WISE decesion... Just the little things right? ha.


Looks very solid

I went 6-0 and took best general with the fatecrusher list in the other thread.

Dr_Chin wrote:Everytime I have played The Masque she was a bullet magnet, but maybe in this list with a large amount of big things around she might have some sustainability.

She's easy to deepstrike, as well as easy to hide. Also, her invulnerable is a 3+, meaning that while in Fateweaver range, she'll have to make statistically 18 saves before going down. And if the opponent is wasting those shots on her instead of Fateweaver, the Princes, or the Crushers, or the Plaguebearers, then that's good for me.

The masque is fantastic with Fateweaver.

Hug fateweaver to make her tougher, push things away from him, and pull things toward the crushers.

Great move! I might have to reconsider my list to include her!

Redone list:

Fateweaver - 333
Masque - 100

3x Bloodcrushers w/ Icon - 145
3x Bloodcrushers w/ Icon - 145

5x Plaguebearers - 75
5x Plaguebearers - 75
5x Plaguebearers - 75
5x Plaguebearers - 75


Daemon Prince w/ MoN, Iron Hide, Flight, Breath, Noxious Touch - 240
Daemon Prince w/ MoN, Iron Hide, Flight, Breath, Noxious Touch - 240
Daemon Prince w/ MoN, Iron Hide, Flight, Breath, Noxious Touch, Cloud of Flies - 245

Total - 1748

I dropped fury and one more CoF to get the icons...I like the idea of having 1 in both waves. Having lost a whole bloodcrusher squad in the final round due to a bad scatter, being able to drop in reliably definitely has it's perks. Thoughts?

Sorry to re-post.. but I seriously cannot get over how awesome of an idea taking Fateweaver + The Masque is. This is positively the answer to the few little problems my Daemons list has been having.

1. Fateweaver is vulnerable to assault.

2. Crushers are too slow.

Keep the mean stuff away, guarantee (or as close as you can) the charge with your crushers, and pull stuff closer to the crushers. MASSIVE.

I mean she effectively grants the Bloodcrushers FoF, by making their targets closer to them. Brilliant.

This can be used on turn 1! It's a shooting attack! Double brilliant. 2 turns of The Masque + Running the crushers on T1 gives you 3d6+12 range for assault on turn 2. Thats MASSIVE!

Re-write of my 'Ard Boyz list is definitely inbound. Bloodthirster is out. Tzherald + The Masque is in. Definitely.

Cottonjaw, just to specify so you dont get too crazy. masque works very well, but rememeber, pavane of slaanesh can only be used one per turn on a single unit, so you can only move them 1d6. even though the masque can cast it three times. You can only move them once, so you can move 3 units once, not one unit 3 times.

EDIT: wait, you mean. Bloodcrusher 1d6 run, + masque shooting on turn 1 pavane+ masque shooting on turn 2= 3d6 over 2 turns of running and pavane.
My bad man, whoops..

Clauss wrote:Cottonjaw, just to specify so you dont get too crazy. masque works very well, but rememeber, pavane of slaanesh can only be used one per turn on a single unit, so you can only move them 1d6. even though the masque can cast it three times. You can only move them once, so you can move 3 units once, not one unit 3 times.

EDIT: wait, you mean. Bloodcrusher 1d6 run, + masque shooting on turn 1 pavane+ masque shooting on turn 2= 3d6 over 2 turns of running and pavane.
My bad man, whoops..

Yep. She effectively makes the Crushers 2nd turn threat range (since they can't move or assault turn 1 anyway) 3d6+12. Insane!

Fatewaver
BloodThirster, Unholy Might
10 Pink Horrors Bolt of Tzeentch The Changeling
10 Bloodletters
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10 Bloodletters
5 Bloodcrushers Insterment Fury Of Khorne
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Just a thought

I don't get it..you are using pavene on your Crushers? Or to pull units near your Crushers

usa_supersonic wrote:I don't get it..you are using pavene on your Crushers? Or to pull units near your Crushers

To pull units near or to push them away from Fateweaver.

Just hope you dont fight Dark Eldar. I think the list is fine, just beware the deamons are a near auto loss vs those spike elves.

fatewaver more like full deadwaver

dinnermeat wrote:fatewaver more like full deadwaver

Cool story bro. Did you look at the list, and think of tactical advice and logical criticism, or even possibly read any of the thread?

It's a inside joke

Colour me stupid, but have you though about...

-Fateweaver,Crushers
+ GUO (k'gath??) , Epidemus??

Ok...I'll get me coat.....

Son_Of _Deddog wrote:Colour me stupid, but have you though about...

-Fateweaver,Crushers
+ GUO (k'gath??) , Epidemus??

Ok...I'll get me coat.....

Yep, and I've played it. Epidemius...just doesn't really work. Beasts don't kill a whole lot, and to rack up the tally you kill infantry...and then the bonuses help you kill infantry! With the metagame having lots of mechanized forces, it just doesn't work as well.

I do commonly run a GUO though; I had to drop him to go down to a lower points level.

The on;y way to build an Epidemus list is with three pimped out Nurgle Princes, and then as many nurglings as possible. Once you get to that point those nurglings will wound on 2+ and ignore armor saves. But that's beside the point.

Anyway I like your list, I was going to suggest breaking the 6 man squad into 2 of 3, but I see I was beaten to it. With all the points you're spending on Princes a Bloodthirster could easily outperform one for 10 points(BotBG is a must) but I can definitely see how the Masque would be better.
I would like to see how this list goes, and more specifically the masque.