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Just got back from a really fun RTT at Endgame run by TasteyTaste of Blood of Kittens.

The format was simple. Each round you rolled out of the book for mission/deployment. Each player had a token that allowed him to either reroll the mission or objective or to block your opponent from doing the same. One use only. I love simple tournament like this. They allow you to focus on plying the game you know and practice for. The book missions are balanced, fun and simple. Winning. The only wacky bit was the points limit of 1504 which was a tip of the hat to the many players in recent tournaments whose lists have been slightly over points.

I brought my now notorious Footdar which the internet says sucks and yet I almost never lose with. Go figure.

HQ
Eldrad
Avatar

Elites:
Harlies x 10: Shadowseer, Kisses x 9

Troops:
Rangers x 5
Guardians x 10: Shuriken Cannon
Dire Avengers x 10: Exarch, Bladestorm
Bikes x 3: Shuriken Cannon

Heavy:
Wraithlord: EML, Bright lance
Wraithlord: EML, Bright Lance
War Walkers x 3: Scatter Lasers x 6

Game 1: Capture and Control, Pitched Battle
Opponent: Andrew
Army: Deathwing

HQ:
Belial

Troops:
Deathwing x 5: Hammers x 4, Cyclone
Deathwing x 5: Hammers x 4, Cyclone
Deathwing x 5: Hammers x 4, Cyclone
Deathwing x 5: Hammers x 4, Cyclone, Apothecary
Ravenwing x 3: Flamer x 2
Attack Bike: M.Melta
Ravenwing x 3: Melta x 2
Attack Bike: M.Melta

This was a great game, and a fun match-up. Usually Footdar plow deathwing as they have so much flak fire. However, in the first three turns, Andrew's dice were crazy. I killed 3 terminators total in three rounds of shooting, it was nuts. He would make 20 saves in a row, easy! Also, all of his outflanking bikers came in turn 2 on the side he needed which put a lot of pressure on my flank. Andrew played a very smart game making only one mistake. I threw the fortuned Avatar out in front of his army as bait to lure out some deathwing units into combat and he bit. The Avatar survived tying up two squads and allowing me to bring the Harlies and a Wraithlord into combat. From their, the Harlies gobbled the two termie units, bounced off, ate another, a bike squad and then rushed his objective last turn where they must have run out of steam as all they had to do to win me the game was not die, but they flubbed their attacks and didn't kill anyone, getting wiped in return. So, despite having only 4 models left on the board to most of my army, Andrew managed to pull out a tie on me as he was able to kill my bikers contesting his objective in his last turn. A great game with some crazy dice.

Honorable mention to the Dires, who went on a killing spree, downing more termies than the war walkers and killing a bike squad in combat!

Game 2: Pitched battle, Annihilation
Opponent: Greg
Army: Space Wolves

HQ
Wolf Lord: TWC, Shield, Saga of the Bear, Hammer

Elites:
TWC x 3: S.Shield x 2, Frost Blade
Wolf Guard x 5: P.Fist x 3, C.Melta x 3, Termie armor x 2, Cyclone

Troops:
Grey Hunters x 9: Melta, Wolf Standard, Drop Pod
Grey Hunters x 9: Melta, Wolf Standard, Drop Pod
Grey Hunters x 9: Melta, Wolf Standard, Drop Pod

Heavy:
Long Fangs x 5: M.Launcher x 4
Long Fangs x 5: M.Launcher x 4

I got first turn which was very important in a match-up like this as it allowed me to fortune up my Walkers and Avatar. It also allowed me to alpha strike his fangs with my walkers. Guided walkers will average 15 wounds on toughness 4 per volley. My first shot nuked a squad of fangs right off the bat. His return fire couldn't stop my walkers and turn two, I nuked the second squad, eliminating his ability to engage in a fire fight with me.

His pods came down into a death trap, my dires and guardians flak fired them down and the Harlies killed survivors in combat. Again, I threw the fortuned Avatar into charge range of his units and he took the bait with his Wolfstar. Again, the Avatar survived (fortune make shim so tough), allowing me to counter charge with a Warithlord and the Harlies. By this point, the game looked to be a wrap as I was way in front on kill points, but he almost turned it around when a few turns of bad dice in combat left the Avatar dead and all of the Woflstar wounded, but alive. He then wiped the harlies and the Wraithlord had to take 6 fearless saves. Had the Wraithlord died, it would have left his Woflstar free to maul several of my soft troops in his turn. Thankfully, the big lug passed 4 of the 6 leaving him alive with a wound. He died in my opponent's turn which left my entire army free to shoot the Wolfstar down, sealing the win.

In the end, my opponent had a pod left on the board. The game was good fun despite the tough match-up. Had he gone first, it would have been much closer, but I have only lost one very close game to an MEQ army with my Footdar, ever. They do very well against the boys in power armor.

Game 3: Spearhead, Seize Ground
Opponent: Tim
Army: Tyranids

HQ
Hive Tyrant: Wings, Lash/Bone Sword, Devourers, Old Adversary

Elites:
Doom in a Spod
Deathleaper
Zoeys x 2: Spod

Troops:
Steelers x 5: Poison, Brood Lord: Posion, ScyTals
Steelers x 5: Poison, Brood Lord: Posion, ScyTals
Steelers x 5: Poison, Brood Lord: Posion, ScyTals
Steelers x 5: Poison, Brood Lord: Posion, ScyTals
Steelers x 5: Poison, Brood Lord: Posion, ScyTals
Steelers x 5: Poison, Brood Lord: Posion, ScyTals

A very unconventional bug army, but Tim had gone 2-0 against some good armies. I have had trouble with bugs with my Footdar and so I wasn't taking any chances. Deathleaper made Eldrad ld7, and the Doom could beat my army by himself if my opponent got lucky.

He gave me first turn which was a mistake. He deployed with his Tyrant hidden, but I used Eldrad's redeploy ability to put the Wraithlords and War Walkers in direct LOS of him. I then smoked the Tyrant first turn, who was the biggest threat to me. By turn two, he had 2 Broodlords left on the board and the game was largely decided. When the doom came in, he caused a lot of disruption, but the Warithlords went up and punched him in the face. Tim gave a great showing of himself despite the early, huge setback and fought to the end, nearly pulling a tie off when Deathleaper and an outflanking squad of Steelers wiped my Rangers off of one of the objectives, but the first huge punch I gave him turn 1 and 2 proved to be too much and I took it, 2 objectives to 1.

War Walkers, Eldrad and the Dire Avengers were amazing again. The Harlies ripped through 3 squads of steelers. Runes of Warding was just brutal against the bugs and Runes of Witnessing allowed me to largely ignore Death Leapers ability.

Another great game against a really fun opponent. All three games were a good laugh with relaxed, cool guys who had awesomely painted armies.

When all was said and done, three guys had the same record for first place. The tie breaker was who had amassed the most KPs. My Teammate, White925 got second with 20 total KP using his nasty Wolfstar list, and I took first place with 25 total KP with the mighty Footdar!

Footdar win!

1500 seems to be the sweet spot for Footdar, as with a lot of Eldar builds. At Throne of Skulls I went 2-0-1 with Footdar against Grey Knights (Runes of Warding is sooooo good against them), Mech Blood Angels and Dual Lash/oblit/PM chaos. I was in position to win best Eldar player but I didn't come to the second day of the tournament as I got caught up having too much fun in Vegas.

The only armies that really give me trouble are Leaf Blower IG and Mech Dark Eldar. Those are match-ups witch are extremely difficult to win for the mighty Footdar. Other than that though, so long as their is adequate terrain, they can go toe-to-toe with anyone. I have been playing them for a long time now and have won several tournaments against a wide variety of tournament lists and they have yet to disappoint. Plus, the army is super fun to play with all of the synergy between units.

Thanks for reading, and I hope to see more Dakkanauts at the next Endgame tournament.

Congrats on another strong showing and good job against 3 very tough lists. I wanted to go to that tournament as my missus was busy that day...but couldn't get someone to take my shift at work.

Seems as if I need to put my army "up to the test" against your footdar one of these days.

I am thinking about breaking out the famous footdar for the Nova open.

@jy2
Anytime! You are always a pleasure to play against. It was a fun tournament, you should check out the next one. Three color paiting requirement minimum though.

@blackmoor
I was thinking about it too, but I know I'll hit leaf blower, mechdar or mech deldar at least once. That is a match up that goes poorly for the mighty footdar.

Congrat winning 1st place. Fortune Avatar is beastly!

I've played against similar list to your Double-wing opponent, but lost because the mission was Annihilation. I wonder how you list would have faired against 6 Deathwing TH/SS + CML squads.

Second match sounded close. 3 War Walks is a great counter against Long Fangs. You were lucky your Wraithlord survived your assault phase and died during your opponent's assault phase.

Thanks for sharing!

But... but...

Footdar suck! All the message boards say so!

Anyway, nce report, congrats on the win and the extremely well played games!

Good joib to you and frankie and Team Zero Comp taking 1st, 2nd. Sorry I had to bail on you guys last min haha.

Reece, do it, take Footdar to NOVA! Just swap out the Avatar for Maugan Ra. He helps against those pesky mech guys.

@sabrx
Footdar usually own deathwing by virtue of volume of fire. The math heavily favors footdar. I think it would be a pretty easy fight.

@monster rain
and the internet says crimson suck, but you seem to win with them. Hmmm, seeing a paternal here!

@italiaplaya
Team zero comp kicking butt!

@whitedragon
I should, hahaha, if I actually pulled off victory, that would be legendary!

Nice win with footdar!

Thanks!

Pics of Eldar please.

The army is full painted now and looks excellent if o do say so myself. I think Tastey taste took some pictures for his blog. I'll post them if I can find them.

Props for winning games with footdar.

Unfortunantly you didnt play any conpetitivr lists. Your mobility is terrible and the list is basically carried by guided walkers and wraithlords.

If you play a mech list you loose. Your anti tank is terrible. A good opponent will whipe ur walkers in a turn and then shoot ur army to death, or even assult it.

Grats on winning, but imo its more of an indicator of bad opponents then a good list.

Wow .

I'm really embarrassed for you right now, Smitty. Not only are you using text speak, but you have very little idea of what you're talking about.


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You hear that, Reecius? Long fangs and TWC aren't competitive.

Congrats on the win!

As you know, I'm looking to do a new list that is competitive, but one that I like. My alpha strike Ravenguard are too weak against MEQ armies....I was considering a list like yours for footdar, or a DW list.

I'm sitting here going nuts trying to come up with a good army that I like. I need to start playing wth said army to learn the ins and outs.... <sighs>

Monster Rain wrote:Wow .

I'm really embarrassed for you right now, Smitty. Not only are you using text speak, but you have very little idea of what you're talking about.


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You hear that, Reecius? Long fangs and TWC aren't competitive.

I can make a comment without insulting a person, I suggest you learn the same.

Ive played eldar for more years than I care to count, and I understand the in and outs of the codex.

Can a player win with footdar? Yes
Does footdar have serious disadvantages? Yes
Does the curtent meta game exploit footdar? Yes
Is footdar an opptomized eldar list? No

Im always happy to see footdar win games, but you cant call the list competitive because it isnt.

I didn't insult you. I pointed out a few problems with your post.

I know enough about the OP that I would attribute his win to solid tactics and list building and not incompetent opponents, which would be much more insulting than anything I said.

Reecius wrote:@sabrx
Footdar usually own deathwing by virtue of volume of fire. The math heavily favors footdar. I think it would be a pretty easy fight.

@monster rain
and the internet says crimson suck, but you seem to win with them. Hmmm, seeing a paternal here!

@italiaplaya
Team zero comp kicking butt!

@whitedragon
I should, hahaha, if I actually pulled off victory, that would be legendary!

you dont have volume of fire, you have a 18" bubble and if anyone is bad enough to enter that bubble ur gone.

Again props for playing with footdar, but imo you need to represent it as an underdog list.

If you play objectives your mobility will hurt you greatly. If you play any kind of mechd out army your going to loose. If you play anything that has the ability to take out walkers you loose. If you loose ur walkers and wraithlords you literally have no shooting anti tank. If you fight any kind of drop pod dreds you loose. If you fight stormravens you loose. If you fight gks, mechdar, mech dark eldar, any good army of literally any codex you loose.

Fortune is cool, but you fortune 2 units. You should fortune eldrads unit, which leaves alot of stuff open to die.

I honestly dont see how this list works. I think ur opponents inability to deal with wraithlords and guided walkers contributed to your wins greatly. If you kill the walkers early, theb the wraithlords theres really no way to avoid being shot up.

My only problem is that footdar is not a top tier list, nor is it close to being one. Let me assure you I love footdar as much as the next. I have the models and ive played it for a while, but its not competitive.

Ill end the post saying how the OP played the games very well. He has a great footdar list, and played it correctly. But.......if a good footdar player plays a perfect game againt a counter... Which is most of the current meta game.... It will be a loss.

Im sure footdar players will agree with that aspect.

Smitty0305 wrote:
Ill end the post saying how the OP played the games very well. He has a great footdar list, and played it correctly. But.......if a good footdar player plays a perfect game againt a counter... Which is most of the current meta game.... It will be a loss.

Im sure footdar players will agree with that aspect.

I'll end my post by saying that I disagree.

Also, I hear the only list Footdar can lose to is Khornate Monster Mash........

@smitty0305
Is this smitty from daboyz?
You're entitled to your opinion and you make some good points, but I have to say that in two years of playing this list against a wide variety of opponenets and lists, that it is not as weak as it looks. I have only lost a handful of games.

I am well past the point of trying to defend the list. I could go through your arguments and post my counter points, but I just don't care enough to do it anymore. It's an army I like to play and I do well with it. Anyone else's opinion is their own and they are welcome to it.

@hobs
Deathwing is a great army to get back in to the game with. Low model count, relatively cheap, very good on the table.

@monster rain
We should have a necron on footdar battle of the "weak" armies next time I'm in SD!

@whitedtagon
damn you and your khornezilla! Haha, my only loss to meqs!

Reecius wrote:@monster rain
We should have a necron on footdar battle of the "weak" armies next time I'm in SD!

Hell yes!

Let me know when you're in town, I'll be there!

Reecius wrote:@smitty0305
Is this smitty from daboyz?
You're entitled to your opinion and you make some good points, but I have to say that in two years of playing this list against a wide variety of opponenets and lists, that it is not as weak as it looks. I have only lost a handful of games.

I am well past the point of trying to defend the list. I could go through your arguments and post my counter points, but I just don't care enough to do it anymore. It's an army I like to play and I do well with it. Anyone else's opinion is their own and they are welcome to it.

fair enough. I respect that you run footdar , and I would encourage and support you doing so in the future. I have run footdar , I have all the models still and run it time to time with friends.

I will re-phrase my statements to questions because these are things that I have struggled with as footdar.

1) How do you deal with fully mechanized lists? Venom/Raider spam. Mechdar Spam. Mech IG. Mech BA. Longfang Spam.
2) How do you deal with lists that can take down your Wraithlords and War Walkers easily?
3) How do you deal with ur lack of mobility. How do you capture 5 objectives across an entire board? How do you play Capture and Control when objectives are on opposite corners?
4) Have you played a 1500 GK List that is good? How do you deal with Grey Knight Shooting?
5) I have run a 1500 Mechdar Army. Guideseer, 3 squads of 5 fire dragons in scatter serpents, 2 squads of 5 davu in scatter serpents, 2 prisms, falcon with scatter laser and 5 davu. My Entire army has 36' range, so I could in theory sit on the edge of your range. I could easily take down your war walkers turn 1, then I could take down your wraithlords with focus fire and fire dragons. Then all I have to do is shoot your army to death from beyond range. Is this something you have encountered? Is 8 AV12 vehicles something you would have problems against? Is my strategy valid. How would you respond against a list like this that basically neutralizes your shoot ranged firepower?

Basically my question is, How do you deal with an army that can systematically out shoot you. They take down your War Walkers turn One. Take down ur Wraithlords turn 2. Then you have Harleys and alot of troop choices out in the open that really cant do anything.

You hit on the major weaknesses of the army. As I have said footdar do have weaknesses and some awful match ups. Leaf blower, mech deldar and mechdar being the worst. As you pointed out, you can't beat these armies in a straight up fight, so you don't do it. That's just asking for failure. You have to play a different type of game in order to win. You utilize reserves, cover and a lot of the time, hiding and playing to objectives to win or pull a tie against those bad match ups. With leaf blower you have to get into combat with them ASAP. Harlies, the avatar, wraithlords, bikelocks are allgood at this. The rest of your units start off board and hide if they can't contribute.

Mechdar and mech deldar are really tough. With adequate terrain you can stay out of site as much as possible until you are in your threat range, and play for objectives. This is honestly the worst match up. Deldar aren't as bad as you can drop their Skimmers with small arms, nut waveserpents are a bitch. I would most likely play for the tie in these match ups.

Deep striking units are no problem. Proper deployment protects you from these types of armies and units.

Mech meq armies have never been a problem for me. They lack sufficient firepower in most cases to stop me from getting into optimal threat range.

As for the warwalkers, when fortuned they are very hard to kill. They stop 75% of incoming damage. They key is to position them so as not to be compromised. With eldrads redeploy and their scout ability, they should never be in a bad position.

Footdar require a lot of thought to play well. You must always be able to see how you are going to beat or tie your opponent at the beggining of the game and then stick to that plan. I would say that for a lot of people it would be a frustrating army to play. But with practice and a really strong knowledge of the game, you can do quite well with them.

Nice brief reports man and great to see you doing so well with Footdar!

Thanks!

@Reecius
Really nice to see someone doing well with Footdar. I have to agree with 1500 being the sweet spot for Footdar. Unfortunately Footdar don't scale to well to 1850/2000 which seems to be the tournament standard points these days so you rarely see them. MSU Guard and Dark Eldar scale really well to 2000 so you see those more often. 1500 guard or dark eldar have to make some hard choices.

I haven't played my Eldar much in 5th. Probably should play them more.

Don't really like the pods in Greg's Wolf list Rhinos are more flexible.

Yeah, you said it. Footdar gets weaker at larger points values relative to a lot of lists. They still play well, but definitely lose steam. Mechdar scales up well and is a great Meta busting list, but you don't see it much as it's expensive and a pain to paint.

I agree that Greg's list would have been better with rhinos. Otherwise it is a very good wolf list. Pods are just no good against footdar, or deepstrikers in general. They gall right into my optimal threat range.

I like to have a couple squads in Drop Pods, but I think that having all of them Deep Strike was a bit of a mistake.