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Just to be clear, this is about what the unit composition of the Imperial Fists is, not what style of fighting do they prefer, as I already know they are good in urban, siege, and defense. What I want to know is if they are like the Ultramarines with lots of Tac-Squads, do they like vehicles, dreads, terminators, or what? Or are they pretty much equal between all those?

they follow the codex.

Spess Mahreens. Lots and lots of Spess Mahreens.

So, just like the Ultramarines?

They follow the Codex Astartes.

They are basically the ultramarines.

Ok, Thanks guys!


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Another question, how do the IF denote company colors? Is the red on the shoulder-pad rim that they are commonly seen with part of their official color, or does it denote the 3rd company?

They use the same coloured pad rims as the Ultramarines, as that is the codex standard.

The one deviation that I've seen mentioned is the use of a red stripe on the helmet to denote Sergeants, rather than a completely red helmet.

not quite stupid enough to clearly mark the leaders

But, all the pics of them that I have seen have red rims. It seems like that is part of the color scheme.

Grey Templar wrote:not quite stupid enough to clearly mark the leaders

Yep XD
The Imperial fists are not stupid enough to detonate rank on the battlefield because once a sniper sees your captain = Fail.

That's because most people paint them that way, because it looks good.

In the same way as for a long, long time you generally only saw Ultramarines with yellow rims.

insaniak wrote:They use the same coloured pad rims as the Ultramarines, as that is the codex standard.

The one deviation that I've seen mentioned is the use of a red stripe on the helmet to denote Sergeants, rather than a completely red helmet.

Its not actually a deviation, the Codex Astates has multiple options for denoting rank and company.

insaniak wrote:That's because most people paint them that way, because it looks good.

In the same way as for a long, long time you generally only saw Ultramarines with yellow rims.

Then I'll go ahead and use green rims to denote them as 5th company.

I'd be careful with green rims. There's a reason most people tend base their forces on a couple of companies. One of the more glaring weaknesses of Guilliman's precious codex from an Imperial Fists perspective is the complete failure to recognise that certain colours just don't go together with yellow.

As for the composition of the Imperial Fists, you won't go far wrong viewing them as a loyalist version of the Ultramarines. You can give them a siege flavour by including greater numbers of Ironclad Dreadnoughts and Vindicators, but there's nothing in the standard arsenal that they wouldn't use given the right circumstances.

forruner_mercy wrote:

insaniak wrote:That's because most people paint them that way, because it looks good.

In the same way as for a long, long time you generally only saw Ultramarines with yellow rims.

Then I'll go ahead and use green rims to denote them as 5th company.

Green rims denote the 4th company. Black rims denote the 5th.

coolyo294 wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:

insaniak wrote:That's because most people paint them that way, because it looks good.

In the same way as for a long, long time you generally only saw Ultramarines with yellow rims.

Then I'll go ahead and use green rims to denote them as 5th company.

Green rims denote the 4th company. Black rims denote the 5th.

Oh, yeah. Woops. The Lexicanum article about it says something different then the picture. My bad.


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Temujin wrote:I'd be careful with green rims. There's a reason most people tend base their forces on a couple of companies. One of the more glaring weaknesses of Guilliman's precious codex from an Imperial Fists perspective is the complete failure to recognise that certain colours just don't go together with yellow.

As for the composition of the Imperial Fists, you won't go far wrong viewing them as a loyalist version of the Ultramarines. You can give them a siege flavour by including greater numbers of Ironclad Dreadnoughts and Vindicators, but there's nothing in the standard arsenal that they wouldn't use given the right circumstances.

That was more for humor then anything. I will go with black or red when I actually paint them.

On the 'showing other colours front' it's possibly wirth noting that the Space Marine codex, in the 'Codex Chapters' section shows a 3rd Company Imperial Fist, and the green-bordered Company Banner for the 4th Company.

insaniak wrote:On the 'showing other colours front' it's possibly wirth noting that the Space Marine codex, in the 'Codex Chapters' section shows a 3rd Company Imperial Fist, and the green-bordered Company Banner for the 4th Company.

I'll have to check that out.

But just saying "they follow the codex" doesn't really answer the question does it?

I mean you can follow the codex and field 6 Dreadnoughts if you want to. You can have an entire army of bikes as well.

Or by saying "they follow the codex" does that mean they stick to the company composition loadout that is described within?

SickSix wrote:But just saying "they follow the codex" doesn't really answer the question does it?

I mean you can follow the codex and field 6 Dreadnoughts if you want to. You can have an entire army of bikes as well.

Or by saying "they follow the codex" does that mean they stick to the company composition loadout that is described within?

I think he was talking about following the Codex by painting the pad rims the right color.

forruner_mercy wrote:
I think he was talking about following the Codex by painting the pad rims the right color.

The OP specifically asked about unit composition, and the next couple of posts said 'they follow the codex'

And then it degenerated into pad trim colors.

They are identical to Ultramarines.
They have a slight difference of opinion to the codex when it comes to running the hell away but other than that they are pretty much the same.

As a siege focussed chapter they'd have a higher number of units like whirlwinds, vindicators and thunderfire cannons and less units like bikes and land speeders. They probably wouldn't use duel use vehicles like razorbacks as much either.

cadbren wrote:As a siege focussed chapter they'd have a higher number of units like whirlwinds, vindicators and thunderfire cannons and less units like bikes and land speeders. They probably wouldn't use duel use vehicles like razorbacks as much either.

That makes sense. What would be good to use to show their affinity for urban-warfare?

Shotgun or bolt-pistol/chainsword scouts. Flamers. Terminators. The Vindicator. Dozer blades on your tanks. That's all I can really think of. Maybe a Techmarine or Master of the Forge if you can swing it.

if you wanted to do an Imperial Fist army, there we can help you.



Vindicators, Terminators, Lysander, Tac squads with Lascannons and Melta-guns, Dreadnoughts with Multi-meltas and DCCWs(heavy flamer), Thunderfire cannons, and Whirlwinds.

all would be fluffy.

SickSix wrote:But just saying "they follow the codex" doesn't really answer the question does it?

I mean you can follow the codex and field 6 Dreadnoughts if you want to. You can have an entire army of bikes as well.

Or by saying "they follow the codex" does that mean they stick to the company composition loadout that is described within?

You are misunderstanding the point, when people say codex they mean the Codex Astartes not codex space marine.

It is also entirely reasonable to have an playable army being made up of 6 dreads (invasion of a chapter world with only a garrison force, dreads are awoken for defence and leadership) and an army of bikes (white scars/any recon force).

SickSix wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:
I think he was talking about following the Codex by painting the pad rims the right color.

The OP specifically asked about unit composition, and the next couple of posts said 'they follow the codex'

And then it degenerated into pad trim colors.

You do know that Forruner_mercy is the OP and then asked about company markings, so the thread did not 'degenerate'

I can't belive no one's said this yet: Imperial fists consist of eight imperial fingers and two imperial thumbs!

Seriously though, I read somewhere that the fists like to use swords rather than any other melee weaponry.

Dark Apostle 666 wrote:I can't belive no one's said this yet: Imperial fists consist of eight imperial fingers and two imperial thumbs!

Seriously though, I read somewhere that the fists like to use swords rather than any other melee weaponry.

They also have a love of thunder hammers.