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Are there non space marine Rhinos used by the Imperial Guard? Do other forge worlds also produce Rhinos and landraiders other than the one on Mars(or at least clones)?

Also how does Mars manage to produce enough Rhinos on single planet to give to all the Space Marine chapters?

Also are chaos corrupted vehicles ever recovered and repaired?(assuming the daemon possessing it is ward off?)

No. Not really.
They don't. Many chapters produce their own stuff or a nearby Forge World produces it.
No. Never. The Adeptus Mechanicus abandons anything infected with daemonic taint. They know not to mess with that stuff.

The IG has no access to rhino and LR. But sisters and inquisition have.

Forgeworlds are spread across the galaxy and produce a lot of things. From ammo to space ships, if they know "how to".
Mars as the center of the mechanicum must not produce everything itself, it can delegate jobs to other forgeworlds and also supply the blue-prints for that.

The rhino is pretty ubiquitous anyway... the arbites also use them.

The Imperial Guard used to use Rhino's and even Land Raiders in earlier parts of Imperial History, but now the accepted doctorine of the Imperial Guard seems to be to not use them in favor of the Chimera and Leman Russ variants.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:The Imperial Guard used to use Rhino's and even Land Raiders in earlier parts of Imperial History, but now the accepted doctorine of the Imperial Guard seems to be to not use them in favor of the Chimera and Leman Russ variants.

In-game, the Chimera is arguably better, with more frontal armor, but less side and rear armor compared to the Rhino. The Leman Russ is also arguably one of the best tanks in the game.

Of course, that's an opinion. One that I'm not arguing against but I do know some very good space marine players that LOVE their rhino's. and would NEVER trade their Land Raider for a Leman Russ.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Of course, that's an opinion. One that I'm not arguing against but I do know some very good space marine players that LOVE their rhino's. and would NEVER trade their Land Raider for a Leman Russ.

Oh, I understand. Just like Eldar players would not give up a Warp Prism for a Leman Russ, or Tau giving up their Hammerhead. Usually you will always prefer the vehicles of your army.

But a Land Raider is not the Equal of the Leman Russ, the Predator is. I think some IG players would give up their Leman Russ tanks if they could take a Land Raider. I know I would

forruner_mercy wrote:
In-game, the Chimera is arguably better, with more frontal armor, but less side and rear armor compared to the Rhino. The Leman Russ is also arguably one of the best tanks in the game.

Forget "in-game" statistics. They are irrelevant to any background discussion.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:The Imperial Guard used to use Rhino's and even Land Raiders in earlier parts of Imperial History, but now the accepted doctorine of the Imperial Guard seems to be to not use them in favor of the Chimera and Leman Russ variants.

I've got nothing on them using Land Raiders, but Rhinos and things like the "Tetsudo" APCs were used by Imperial Army forces.

The Guard utilize the Chimera and Leman Russ for simple reasons. They get the job done, and they fit the role that the Guard need them to fill.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Of course, that's an opinion. One that I'm not arguing against but I do know some very good space marine players that LOVE their rhino's. and would NEVER trade their Land Raider for a Leman Russ.

Which goes to another part about roles.

Rhinos and even Land Raiders to a lesser extent were pretty much purpose built for the Astartes method of war. They can be crewed and operated to the full extent of the vehicle's capacity with relatively little manpower. The Rhino is a fast vehicle that can pretty much run on any form of fuel, and does the job it needs to do(get Astartes to the combat zone).

The Chimera, in contrast, is perfect for the Guard as it's a thick slab of armor between them and people wanting to hurt them. The Chimera, if it survives getting into the combat zone, can then serve as a communications hub, resupply station, mobile bunker, fire support for a Guard unit advancing, etc.

The Rhino can't do that without sacrificing some of its carrying capacity(which led to the Razorback).

The Rhino is also airtight and can be attached to a dropship in space, flown through the atmosphere, and then unloaded while close to the ground and be ready to fight, with its crew and passengers inside the whole time. This isn't true of the Chimera and is why the Rhino is reserved for "spec ops" elements like astartes and sisters.

Kanluwen wrote:
I've got nothing on them using Land Raiders, but Rhinos and things like the "Tetsudo" APCs were used by Imperial Army forces.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Land_Raider - It mentions it on here, although apparently the original source was a GW web page that no longer exists. Essentially it says that Raiders were used widely by all the Imperial forces, but when there primary production facility was destroyed by the Traitor Legions and a lot of other Forge World went neutral during the conflict, meaning only a few were being produced by loyal Forge Worlds. As a result, the Emperor ordered all the remaining Raiders transferred to the Astrates and died before he could rescind the order, meaning it's still that way today.

Yeah, Landraiders were originally one of the main battletanks for the Imperial Army.

then the Emperor said he wanted them all for his precious Space Marines. so now all Landraiders are for Space Marines(and Inquisitors because they can get anything they want)

Also may be worth noting that large numbers of rhinos are used across the galaxy by the Judges - Adeptus Arbities.

yeah the older 40K fluff / images has the Imperial Guard with Land Raiders, Jet Bikes, Rhinos and Land Speeders.

I don't think it has been stated that NO Imperial Guard use Rhinos as some may well do so given links to AM etc but the other three are I think no longer viable in the present background.

PresidentOfAsia wrote:Are there non space marine Rhinos used by the Imperial Guard? Do other forge worlds also produce Rhinos and landraiders other than the one on Mars(or at least clones)?

Also how does Mars manage to produce enough Rhinos on single planet to give to all the Space Marine chapters?

Also are chaos corrupted vehicles ever recovered and repaired?(assuming the daemon possessing it is ward off?)

The Rhino is a relatively easy design, most chapters have the ability to make at least one rhino every 50 or so years (the salamaders however probably a week), hey can also be made on any number of forge worlds.

The Ministorum Forges on Ophelia VII are building Rhinos, that much I know - hence the variant being called "Ophelian-pattern Rhino". That said, they only outfit the Sisterhood.

I seem to recall it being said that the Rhino is a fairly simply design that can - in theory - be constructed on any technologically advanced world, if they'd just manage to get the license (i.e. the STC plans) from the AdMech. Wasn't the Rhino originally conceived as some sort of civilian colony tractor, much like Terminator armours were built from reactor maintenance suits?

I wouldn't say out-of-hand that Rhinos are inaccessible to the IG; they just generally aren't found amongst them.

There's no reason that a Forgeworld's PDF might not have them, for example.

The AdMech have access to Land Raiders in their own armies.

the reason the guard don't use Rhinos is because they arn't what they need.


a Rhino is a APC. its meant to transport its cargo to the front and then drive back to the rear.

the Chimera is an IFV. its meant to drive the guys to the front, and then support them with its weaponry.


the Chimera has a Multi-laser and a hull mounted weapon(or whatever it can have instead) so it can double as a light tank.

the Rhino has a little dinky stormbolter. it only is there so the vehicle can take pock shots at the enemy.

Henners91 wrote:The AdMech have access to Land Raiders in their own armies.

*blinks* Wasn't there an ancient edict (supposed to be temporary, but he died so he was never able to rescind it) by the Emperor proclaiming that Space Marines are the one and only organization allowed to field Land Raiders?

the Emperor's edict only extended to Imperial Forces.

the Ad Mech are, for all intents and putposes, an allied faction and not under his direct control(though the bulk view him as the Omnissiah)

Hmm, just taken another look at the GW books. The Mechanicus gets a lot of special rights due to the treaties that made them join, yet they are not a sovereign nation but an integrated part of the greater Imperium of Man.

Hence the Aquila having two heads. One is for the AdMech. And hence the Fabricator General having a seat amongst the High Lords of Terra.

However, some of their worlds, including Mars, are called "sovereign domains" of the AdMech, so in the end, I guess you're right - the forces on those worlds may indeed be exempt from this rule.

Learning never stops!

I've always thought of them as an allied state that simply agrees to maintain Imperial technology.

The adeptus mechanicus are not legally beholden to Imperial laws and litigation...

...however, they are EFFECTIVELY beholden (within limits and to a degree) because of the protection (read: meatshield) the Imperium provides.

Background: The RH1 NO (not a typo or leet) started out as a universal vehicle then as time went on and people grew dumber (or smarter) the Guard started getting different, more specialized tanks. In fact, older literature has plenty of mentions that Rhinos and variants like Preds were everywhere, used by everyone.

Then the retcon boom came, and since somebody decided that every army should have a unique baseline vehicle, the Chimera appeared to replace the Rhino in IG armies. It's both understandable and lamentable. I've uncovered plenty of stuff from late RT-era onward involving IG Rhinos, but I can't find a real life source for the end of it.

As for Land Raiders, there is a an edict about them, as stated several times above, and the High Lords don't have the stones to take on the GW Board of Directors so Marine only they stay.

If you wanted to do Guard Rhinos, tbh, I have a casual take on lists outside of tourneys, and I'd let an opponent try it out, and if you're willing to dig, there's still sources and ideas out there for them. If you have the nose for digging, try finding WD 103.

Wulfe Luer wrote:
As for Land Raiders, there is a an edict about them, as stated several times above, and the High Lords don't have the stones to take on the GW Board of Directors so Marine only they stay.

Indeed. Gone are the days of Harlequin Land Raiders.

forruner_mercy wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Of course, that's an opinion. One that I'm not arguing against but I do know some very good space marine players that LOVE their rhino's. and would NEVER trade their Land Raider for a Leman Russ.

Oh, I understand. Just like Eldar players would not give up a Warp Prism for a Leman Russ, or Tau giving up their Hammerhead. Usually you will always prefer the vehicles of your army.

But a Land Raider is not the Equal of the Leman Russ, the Predator is. I think some IG players would give up their Leman Russ tanks if they could take a Land Raider. I know I would

I would trade in my vinidcator for a Leman Russ anyday.

Custodes also use Rhinos and Land Raiders. They aren't Astrates

Lynata wrote:Hmm, just taken another look at the GW books. The Mechanicus gets a lot of special rights due to the treaties that made them join, yet they are not a sovereign nation but an integrated part of the greater Imperium of Man.

Hence the Aquila having two heads. One is for the AdMech. And hence the Fabricator General having a seat amongst the High Lords of Terra.

However, some of their worlds, including Mars, are called "sovereign domains" of the AdMech, so in the end, I guess you're right - the forces on those worlds may indeed be exempt from this rule.

Learning never stops!

Honestly if Big E said you guys don't get Landraiders then the Mechanicus says no you don't get Landraiders, or lasguns, or Leman Russes...or anything

Asherian Command wrote:

forruner_mercy wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:Of course, that's an opinion. One that I'm not arguing against but I do know some very good space marine players that LOVE their rhino's. and would NEVER trade their Land Raider for a Leman Russ.

Oh, I understand. Just like Eldar players would not give up a Warp Prism for a Leman Russ, or Tau giving up their Hammerhead. Usually you will always prefer the vehicles of your army.

But a Land Raider is not the Equal of the Leman Russ, the Predator is. I think some IG players would give up their Leman Russ tanks if they could take a Land Raider. I know I would

I would trade in my vinidcator for a Leman Russ anyday.

Custodes also use Rhinos and Land Raiders. They aren't Astrates

That's because Astrates don't exist...

The Adeptus Astartes have their own forges for creating vehicles, and a certain number of rhinos are eararked as vindicators, predators and whirlwinds. Also, in the old days before the Horus Heresy, IG used land raiders...but the heresy saw the traitor legions and dark mechanicus escape into the eye of terror with the plans for the land raider.

TechMarine1 wrote:The Adeptus Astartes have their own forges for creating vehicles, and a certain number of rhinos are eararked as vindicators, predators and whirlwinds. Also, in the old days before the Horus Heresy, IG used land raiders...but the heresy saw the traitor legions and dark mechanicus escape into the eye of terror with the plans for the land raider.

More like "The heresy saw the large scalle production of land raiders blown into kingdom come and now there is only a much smaller scale production due to lack of STC dispersal and the complexity of creating them"

Nah, the real reason Landraiders and Rhinos are so rare is because the Ad Mech stopped carrying them in their stores and switched them to Direct Order only. the IG needs things in bulk and they can't wait for the Snail Mail. so they were forced to purchase the In Stock Lemun Russ and Chimeras. Space Marines can afford expedited shipping so thats no issue. they also decided to avoid Chimeras because C.S. Goto created an Internet meme surrounding Multi-lasers and that just left a bad taste in their Neuroglottis.