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Hey, so I'm making a 2,500 point SW list for hard boys. I'm trying to decide is arjac is a worthwhile upgrade for the list. It's a Drop Pod list, with Logan, Njal, 4 terminator squads (with ablative WG wounds) and 2 grey hunter squads, as well as a dreadnaught, with a points total of 2250 ish. I think Arjac would be a fun addition to an anti-MC squad.
Mostly what I want to know is, at 170 points is he worth it?

Cheers,
Zero

Do you have any Long Fangs?

Arjac is always good times, but you already have Njal and Logan... you may want to spread your points out a bit.

Needs long fangs. Period.

Arjac is good and a real heavy-hitter, able to take on anything short of mobs of infantry.
However, he's not a small investment and if you include him you need to make sure you still have plenty of depth in the rest of your list.
As Avatar' said; if you have him, Njal and Logan that's a LOT of points on three models.

I been contemplating the value of Arjac myself since I too am starting Space Wolves.

My round 2 opponent at Grim GT used Arjac with grey hunters and wolf priest in a land raider to good effect. See my battle report here.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/377584.page

This got me thinking is he worth it?

Arjac actually costs the cost of the basic wolfguard + his upgrade cost so costs 2 points less then Vulkan.

I dunno but spending this kind of points on a character that isn't a force multiplier like Vulkan or Pedro makes me doubt Arjac's worthiness. But my opponent Sam did well with Arjac so he is worth trying.

In addition to Arjac you need to buy him a squad and a Land Raider which makes him quite expensive.

Coming from MSU Guard this doesn't sound worth it to me. Might as well play regular marines and take Vulkan and a unit of THSS Assault termies in a Land raider.

I'd like more input from people who actually played with Arjac please.

Arjac is a BAMF. I use him in my 2000+ point games and he is tough to kill. Let's see, the 170pt upgrade gets you:

3 (4 on the charge) S10 attacks
re-roll to hit on ICs and T5+
Eternal Warrior
no IC special rule
2+/3++
Wolftooth necklace

Arjac is a nightmare if you can get him to CC with ICs, MCs, or walkers. The armor/invul saves make him very durable and he cannot be instant killed. Re-rolls to hit on certain units, and always hitting on 3+ on units with a WS will be hard to miss. Str10 attacks can instant kill most ICs and wound just about everything. He does not have the IC special rule, meaning he cannot be targeted in CC and has his 2 wounds, plus the other meat shields he is with until he dies.

In my opinion he is worth it, but if you are inclined on taking both Logan and Njal, then he would probably be too costly to keep your list competitive. He works best in a Land Raider, of course, but I haven't had that much of a hard time putting him in a drop pod with other termies. Foot slogging wasn't entirely too bad either. Just don't throw him towards a mob!

I have been using him with my 1.5k 13 model list along with Logan, Njal and Bjorn. I have not lost yet. He has died a few times. With both Logan and Arjak both having the Saga of the Bear, they can absorb alotof damage for the rest.

Anpu42 wrote:I have been using him with my 1.5k 13 model list along with Logan, Njal and Bjorn. I have not lost yet. He has died a few times. With both Logan and Arjak both having the Saga of the Bear, they can absorb alotof damage for the rest.

Nice! Just curious but what kind of armies have you been playing? I would love to try an army with a model count as low as this for fun. Mind sending me your list?

I have faced Orcs, Marines and Chaos Marines. The last two with the Pair of Land Raiders

Space Wolf 13 Model 1500 Point List

Here is a list I came up with for a 1500 point game. Like some others I just want to see what a low model count Space Wolf Army would do. For another 500 points I can add 2 Land Raiders.

Bjorn the Fell-Handed [Assault Cannon]
Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf
Logan’s Wolf Guard
-Arjac Rockfist, The Anvil of Fenris
-Wolf Guard [Terminator Armor, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield]
-Wolf Guard [Terminator Armor, Storm Bolter, Frost Axe, Melta-Bombs]
-Wolf Guard [Terminator Armor, Frost Axe Storm Shield, Melta Bombs]
-Wolf Guard [Terminator Armor, Assault Cannon, Chain Fist]

Njal Stormcaller, Lord of Tempests [Runic Terminator Amour]
-Wolf Guard x4 [Paired Wolf Claws]
-Wolf Guard [Heavy Flamer, Chain Fist]

Roster Statistics
Model Count: 13
% Elite: 0.0
% Fast: 0.0
% Heavy: 0.0
% HQ: 54.3
% Troops: 45.7

I think the best way to run Arjac is to keep him with Greyhunters as ablatives. And then you can stick him inside a drop pod or landraider.

The question is why not just take a thunderwolflord with eternal warrior, then stick him with 10 fenrisian wolves, which is cheaper.

Yuber wrote:I think the best way to run Arjac is to keep him with Greyhunters as ablatives. And then you can stick him inside a drop pod or landraider.

And then he's scoring too.

Concerning Anpu42's army list:

I dont play space wolves so I might be missing something but doesnt your army list have 3 HQs?

You have listed your running Logan Grimnar, Njal Stormcaller and Bjorn in a single army. If I'm missing a rule that lets you do that please let me know.

Space wolves are allowed to run up to 4 hq's

Yeah, Space Wolves can take 4 HQs

well damn, you guys are right about 4 HQs never knew Space Wolves could do that

I used Arjac in the list I used to win my ticket to Vegas. He is indeed a beast. He was also used by my opponent in the really bad loss I took in Vegas; possibly the only time I''ve been tabled at a tournament in twelve years of continual play.

I used him in an LR. My opponent in Vegas used him in a pod, with a wolf priest along for more re-rolls. That was the only pod in the force, which made a nice beachhead and fantastic distraction to demand firepower and attention and let the wolfstar approach with minimal firepower pointed at it.

Anpu42 wrote:I have faced Orcs, Marines and Chaos Marines. The last two with the Pair of Land Raiders

Space Wolf 13 Model 1500 Point List

Here is a list I came up with for a 1500 point game. Like some others I just want to see what a low model count Space Wolf Army would do. For another 500 points I can add 2 Land Raiders.

Bjorn the Fell-Handed [Assault Cannon]
Logan Grimnar, The Great Wolf
Logan’s Wolf Guard
-Arjac Rockfist, The Anvil of Fenris
-Wolf Guard [Terminator Armor, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield]
-Wolf Guard [Terminator Armor, Storm Bolter, Frost Axe, Melta-Bombs]
-Wolf Guard [Terminator Armor, Frost Axe Storm Shield, Melta Bombs]
-Wolf Guard [Terminator Armor, Assault Cannon, Chain Fist]

Njal Stormcaller, Lord of Tempests [Runic Terminator Amour]
-Wolf Guard x4 [Paired Wolf Claws]
-Wolf Guard [Heavy Flamer, Chain Fist]

Roster Statistics
Model Count: 13
% Elite: 0.0
% Fast: 0.0
% Heavy: 0.0
% HQ: 54.3
% Troops: 45.7

I think the only problem with this list is amateur opponents.

Against anything hard, this list would fold.

Both opponents are veterans from at least 2nd edition if not RT days. I do feel I am better Tacticaly than them, but that does not mean I am taking on Soft List.
I would like to take it up against better opponets, but I have run into an Elitest, you are not part mof the group Attitude that keeps them from a real test.

Arjac never seemed worth it to me. For the price of Arjac with 10 grey hunters geared out in a Land Raider Redeemer with multimelta and extra armor you could have a pretty nice thunder wolf deathstar without a land raider taking a heavy spot and reducing your number of long fangs. Arjac costs like Vulkan but does not perform like Vulkan giving your army a force multiplier. I moved away from spending lots of points on beat sticks and don't run thunder wolf death stars anymore either. Arjac just puts too many points in one place.

Drop pod + arjac and grey hunters really isn't an option as it gives you no mobility after the initial drop and you can take pretty heavy losses before getting in assault not to mention warp quake.

Anpu42 wrote:Both opponents are veterans from at least 2nd edition if not RT days. I do feel I am better Tacticaly than them, but that does not mean I am taking on Soft List.
I would like to take it up against better opponets, but I have run into an Elitest, you are not part mof the group Attitude that keeps them from a real test.

Sorry, did you just type "both"?

You only compared your list against 2 opponents...

Are you sure this is a large enough sample to compare and justify the validity of your advice?

i have to agree with AvatarForm. While I bet this list rocks against Orks, maybe Tyranids, It should go down quick to any army with just a slightly shooty build. It's just too few targets. and not enough firepower.
I just tried running a Logan Grimnar list with mostly terminators for my troops, and it went down HARD. And that was against Eldar! Just wait untill you play some Guard armies.


But I am a big fan of Arjac, especially if you run him with a full squad of grey hunters with a wolf standard. That means if Arjac has a 2+ armor save you get to re-roll all failed armor saves! Not to shabby.
I think he's worth 170 points. But I wouldn't run him in any list smaller that 1,500. Even at 1,500 he's difficult to fit in.
Plus he's just an awesome character.

I've seen Arjac used to great effect. Came out of a drop pod, scared a dreadnought, scared some other folks. Of course, I smacked down that same SW player pretty hard (I was playing GK). He was good player, btw, I just kinda caught him out a bit, surprised him with the range I choose to fight at.


I agree with everyone else, though, you need to take care of your fundamentals (like Long fangs) before you start messing around with wiz-bang toys like Arjac. For 'Ard Boyz you should have plenty of points for it, though.

AvatarForm wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:Both opponents are veterans from at least 2nd edition if not RT days. I do feel I am better Tacticaly than them, but that does not mean I am taking on Soft List.
I would like to take it up against better opponets, but I have run into an Elitest, you are not part mof the group Attitude that keeps them from a real test.

Sorry, did you just type "both"?

You only compared your list against 2 opponents...

Are you sure this is a large enough sample to compare and justify the validity of your advice?

Yes Two, but alot of times.
Some of us are not lucky enough to have lots of opponets. I would like to have lots more Opponents.

I also keep saying "It works for Me".