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Taking this list to ard boyz in Aug it's pretty solid as far as i can tell, any thoughts/spank talk/bows? And no am not losing the stubbers or vendetta hvy bolters

CCS 4 Plasma guns, master of the fleet, chimera/stubber - 205
CCS 4 Plasma guns, chimera/stubber - 175

Vendetta hvy bolters - 140
Vendetta hvy bolters - 140
Vendetta hvy bolters - 140

Veteran 3 meltas/chimera stubber - 165
Veteran 3 meltas/chimera stubber - 165
Veteran 3 meltas/chimera stubber - 165
Veteran 3 meltas/chimera stubber - 165
Veteran 3 plasma/chimera stubber - 180
Veteran 3 plasma/chimera stubber - 180

Mantacore - 160
Mantacore - 160
Demolisher 3 hvy bolters - 180

Pysker Squad (9) chimera stubber - 175

2500

got enough anti-tank? perhaps you may need a little more anti infantry for those pesky all infantry lists.

with 9 chimeras multi las/stub/hf each 2 mantacore and pykers for templates of doom and plasma for termies am super scared of troops

Hey now, no need to be snide. I was just trying to help you. Obviously you feel as if you have the best list you can make. Good luck at 'Ard Boyz.

You have 120pts spent on stubbers and heavy bolters for your vendettas and another 20pts on the heavy bolter sponsons for the demolisher. That's 140pts, or another tank/mechanized unit. I know they're apparently non-negotiable, but for an 'Ard Boyz list, there should be no fat, just lean mechanized meat.

CCS work better with meltas for the following reason; they do not score, nor do they give up an extra kill point because they're an HQ unit, therefore they should be at the front popping tanks with meltas so the other melta and plasma vets can kill what's inside. Try swapping both your CCS to melta, (40pts savings) then swapping one melta vet to plasma (25pts total saving). You now have two melta CCS with an even split of melta and plasma vets.

You have now saved 165pts.

Buy another psyker squad with nine dudes in a chimera with no stubber for exactly 165pts. You effectively have another heavy flamer (far greater at anti-infantry than a heavy stubber) and another PBS to either spew out large blast templates or make units run away.

mmm good point there's a pro and con there, pro another battle squad for ld tests str 9 template 3 str 6 1 hf or con lose 27 st 4 shots, 12 str 5 shots. Does offer another target thought would need to buy another chimera/psykers. Though am a big fan of stubbers they really pay for themselfs. same range as ML 3 shots and def weapons, last game it was 2 stubber wounds that took down a Deamon Price . 2 Hvy bolters on vendetta for 10p is short bus cheap and makes it alot more flexable. Hvy bolters on the demo is most just 20 left over points really.

I have never understood people's fascination with putting heavy bolters on a vendetta. They're cheap, but that's the only thing going for them. People who espouse them as making them versatile and other similar terms are overlooking the fact that they are sponsons and inherently more difficult in getting clean shots from both, and that it's BS 3 for six moderate strength shots with mid ap. The fact is only 3 will hit on average, then with wound rolls and cover saves/armor saves, they do very little.

At the end of the day, its your list, so do as you please, but for 'Ard Boyz, having unnecessary upgrades when you can bring another unit should then follow that you drop the upgrades and take the unit.

If you really want to do a good parking lot, I recommend meching up infantry platoons, for more saturation.

CCS - 4 Melta, Chimera

PCS - 4 Melta, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera

PCS - 4 Melta, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera
PIS - Autocannon, Chimera

PCS - 4 Melta, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera
PIS - Meltagun, Chimera

3 Hydras - 225
3 Hydras - 225
2 Hydras - 150


Just as an example. The Meltaguns and Autocannons are the same cost, so swap as you see fit. Seems like a tough nut

dinnermeat wrote:Taking this list to ard boyz in Aug it's pretty solid as far as i can tell, any thoughts/spank talk/bows? And no am not losing the stubbers or vendetta hvy bolters

CCS 4 Plasma guns, master of the fleet, chimera/stubber - 205
CCS 4 Plasma guns, chimera/stubber - 175

Vendetta hvy bolters - 140
Vendetta hvy bolters - 140
Vendetta hvy bolters - 140

Veteran 3 meltas/chimera stubber - 165
Veteran 3 meltas/chimera stubber - 165
Veteran 3 meltas/chimera stubber - 165
Veteran 3 meltas/chimera stubber - 165
Veteran 3 plasma/chimera stubber - 180
Veteran 3 plasma/chimera stubber - 180

Mantacore - 160
Mantacore - 160
Demolisher 3 hvy bolters - 180

Pysker Squad (9) chimera stubber - 175

2500

definitly potential here, but like people said there is some fat.

the Stubbers and Heavy Bolters could buy you another Vendetta(you can squadron them right? or is that just Valks)

meh i've just had good luck with my bolters, with the view the vendetta model has it's not hard to get LOS on both hvy bolters str 5 shots can get thru armor 11 one your las's fail or spank troops of all kinds. Course my view on guard is shoot alot as much as you can until they stop moving towards you.

I pray I run into lists like this with my Vulkan Marines.

I suggest some ogryns in one of those Chimeras and some plasma in at least two of those squads of vets.

lol I know the 20 plus chimera list it would be ultra ard boyz style but i dont seem myself owning that many chimera by aug or playing that many among my peeps here lol.


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oh my guard.....not vulkan......yes that would be a spank list for me only way i could avoid that would be going complete ranged fire support list


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Sadly ogryns aren't competitive but fun idea

Drop the HBs and Stubbers. No need for them. The PBS I have always found lacking, especially with the variety of Psychic Hoods floating around nowadays.

I also agree with the Meltagun swap on the CCS, but I think you should pick up an Astropath to augment that Officer, meaning you can Reserve units as needed. This helps a lot, especially in Spearhead-style deployments when you can catch folks in the flank if they are not careful.

You have nothing in the Vendettas - which I think is a waste. I run a single blob and various Platoon elements to take advantage of their mobility in the later turns, such as contesting/claiming objectives that are ~27" away from the Vendetta.

Not a fan of Leman Russ in lists 2000pt and up. Artillery tends to be better, especially if you do want to go for the PBS, because a Bassie will give you the nice pinning trick (so do the Manticores). I think you could benefit from Hydras, as well. No better way to ensure the downfall of Storm Ravens, enemy Vendettas, and everything DEldar.

Vendetta's are very points effective for what they do, true i do like to put cheap troops inside to make them scoring but it has no firing ports and i like to keep them away for cc units. So puting a whole vet squad in there is often a waste, i look at it as most chimera's will go boom so vendette's can always fly by and pick their vets up.

I never put Vets in, I put cheap PCS and SWS in them and keep a blob for bubble wrapping, etc.

dinnermeat wrote:oh my guard.....

Hi Donny.

First of all, I don't understand why people post a list and then say "by the way, I'm not changing X,Y,Z". Seems like a colossus waste of time to me. If people are giving you gakky advice then just ignore them, don't automatically assume that you know best right from the start.

That second CCS doesn't seem to be doing anything, other than being a more expensive version of a Veteran Squad. You certainly don't need the orders in a list like this.
I would take an Astropath in addition to the MotF, just so you can get those Vendettas in more reliably when you have to reserve them.
Get rid of the stubbers. Seriously, why waste 80 points on Lasgun shots? Better to give the Veterans inside Autocannons for the same points. Contrary to what everyone else on this site thinks, it's perfectly fine to mix heavy/special weapons when they're so cheap and you're running this sort of list.
Demote the Demolisher to a Manticore. If you really want Heavy Bolter shots, take them in your Chimeras where they're free.
Drop the PBS down to 8 men.
With the points saved with the above recommendations, take another PBS of the same number.
I love the Heavy Bolters on the Vendettas. That being said, they would be the next thing to go if you really need a few points elsewhere.

Otherwise it's fine. Personally I would drop the two Plasma Vet squads and take a PCS and two Infantry Squads in Chimeras to increase your mech saturation, but meh, this works too.

Also, I assume that your Chimeras are running Multilaser/Heavy Flamer? You can get away with giving your PBS Chimeras Heavy Bolters instead of the Heavy Flamer; they're going to be sitting back and shooting anyway, may as well make the most of it.

unbeliever87 wrote:First of all, I don't understand why people post a list and then say "by the way, I'm not changing X,Y,Z".

QTF. Not only are those stubbers and heavy bolters a waste of time they are a waste of 90 points. With those dropped and heavy bolters on the Demolishers that's almost brought another PBS which would suit this list loads better. Also three Demolishers in a squad is a waste, what exactly needs 3 x S10 AP2 blasts firing at it and 27 heavy bolter shots providing heavy bolters are on the front - answer is nothing.

mercer wrote:

unbeliever87 wrote:what exactly needs 3 x S10 AP2 blasts firing at it and 27 heavy bolter shots providing heavy bolters are on the front - answer is nothing.

TH & SS Terminator deathstars

Loganwing

GK Paladin Drago Deathstar

So not exactly nothing... but.. rare.

Best IG list, period.

4 Company Command Squad, 175 pts (Flamer x1; Meltagun x3)
1 Company Commander (Melta Bombs)
1 Officer of the Fleet
1 Chimera

1 Infantry Platoon, 465 pts
4 Platoon Command Squad (Flamer x1; Meltagun x3)
1 Platoon Commander
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera

1 Infantry Platoon, 465 pts
4 Platoon Command Squad (Flamer x1; Meltagun x3)
1 Platoon Commander
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera

1 Infantry Platoon, 465 pts
4 Platoon Command Squad (Flamer x1; Meltagun x3)
1 Platoon Commander
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera

1 Infantry Platoon, 465 pts
4 Platoon Command Squad (Flamer x1; Meltagun x3)
1 Platoon Commander
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera

1 Infantry Platoon, 465 pts
4 Platoon Command Squad (Flamer x1; Meltagun x3)
1 Platoon Commander
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)
9 Infantry Squad (Meltagun x1)
1 Sergeant
1 Chimera

Cottonjaw wrote:

mercer wrote:

unbeliever87 wrote:what exactly needs 3 x S10 AP2 blasts firing at it and 27 heavy bolter shots providing heavy bolters are on the front - answer is nothing.

TH & SS Terminator deathstars

Loganwing

GK Paladin Drago Deathstar

So not exactly nothing... but.. rare.

All that still doesn't need that. You can seriously cripple those units with a single Demolisher.


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Stubby wrote:Best IG list, period.

No long range fire power which Guard excel at so you're moving up and only got short ranged meltas for anti tank and multi lasers. Also bad weapon synergy taking flamers and meltas. Crap loads of tanks and dudes but a opponent with long range fire power could take this list apart at range without those meltas getting into range. I'm afriad it's not the best I.G list period at all.

mercer wrote:

Cottonjaw wrote:

mercer wrote:

unbeliever87 wrote:what exactly needs 3 x S10 AP2 blasts firing at it and 27 heavy bolter shots providing heavy bolters are on the front - answer is nothing.

TH & SS Terminator deathstars

Loganwing

GK Paladin Drago Deathstar

So not exactly nothing... but.. rare.

All that still doesn't need that. You can seriously cripple those units with a single Demolisher.


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Stubby wrote:Best IG list, period.

No long range fire power which Guard excel at so you're moving up and only got short ranged meltas for anti tank and multi lasers. Also bad weapon synergy taking flamers and meltas. Crap loads of tanks and dudes but a opponent with long range fire power could take this list apart at range without those meltas getting into range. I'm afriad it's not the best I.G list period at all.

What the hell does long range have to do with it? I have 21 Chimeras coming at you. It takes 2 turns to get into melta range. I melta and flame the hell out of you. There is not a single army that can disable that many chimeras and men.

Gks have a pretty good shot at it.

they can disable at least 1/2 the chimeras and then deal with the others when they get close, and then pop the dudes who are now footsloggin towards you.

Stubby wrote:Best IG list, period.

$505 US + Tax, good thing A'hole boys does not require painted armies.

FeindusMaximus wrote:

Stubby wrote:Best IG list, period.

$505 US + Tax, good thing A'hole boys does not require painted armies.

Can you imagine how big a display board for that army would be? lol.

with that lust, stuby, any ork army, any blood angel army, nidzilla, etc etc would destroy you once you got too close.

With the original poster, I must say I agree with dropping the HBs and the stubbers. they may have done you well in the past, but there are other things that can just do you better

ZephyrRey wrote:with that lust, stuby, any ork army, any blood angel army, nidzilla, etc etc would destroy you once you got too close.

With the original poster, I must say I agree with dropping the HBs and the stubbers. they may have done you well in the past, but there are other things that can just do you better

What are you talking about? Orks would get shot to peices. BA doesnt have enough guns to get through that much armor. Nidzilla? Seriously?

My BA lists would destroy it. ~50 assault marines that are all s5 on the assault, i would simply combi charge all these chimeras, wreck half of them or so, and then eat the contents. Same to orks, and a decent nidzilla as well.
But this thread is not 'my list is better than yours' and so really your list has no place here, nor does my argument with it.

So perhaps you could make your own thread for 'best IG list ever' and people can discuss it there, instead of drawing the attention away from the original poster here.

Stubby wrote:

ZephyrRey wrote:with that lust, stuby, any ork army, any blood angel army, nidzilla, etc etc would destroy you once you got too close.

With the original poster, I must say I agree with dropping the HBs and the stubbers. they may have done you well in the past, but there are other things that can just do you better

What are you talking about? Orks would get shot to peices. BA doesnt have enough guns to get through that much armor. Nidzilla? Seriously?

A Greentide or Kan wall with KFFs won't get shot to pieces. they will laugh off your shooting and then get in crumpin range.

BAs can assault you farther then you have most shooting aside from Multi-lasers(and they get their armor and FnP saves against it)

And my Guardsmen will get out and Multi assault your whole army and win the game. GG

I can make baseless claims too.