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I recently picked up a large lot of CSM, and having never played them, or 40k for that matter before, I've been working on a list and now looking for comments.

Daemon Prince, MoT, Wings, Warptime, 175 pts
Daemon Prince, MoT, Wings, Warptime, 175 pts

10 CSM, Champ w/ PF, IoCG, 2x Melta, Rhino, 255pts
10 CSM, Champ w/ PF, IoCG, 2x Melta, Rhino, 255pts
5 Plague Marines, 2x Melta, Rhino, 175pts
10 Bezerkers, Champ w/ PF, Icon, Rhino, 290pts

3 Obliterators, 225pts
Defiler, 150pts
Defiler, 150pts

Total: 1850pts


Thanks!

Pretty good first list with only two things:
1. I'd add Extra Armor to the KhorneBs' rhino, as they need to get into h2h and EA ensures that.
2. I don't see a need for an icon on those KhorneBs, they're already Fearless. And you won't be Deep Striking those Oblits, right?

Good point. Removing the Icon and adding the EA leaves me 10pts over. Suggestions?

Would I be better off switching one of the meltas for a flamer in each of the CSM squads or removing the Icon from one of them instead?

I would keep the melta guns on your csm's go with both of the same when it comes to special weapons imo.

The icons should stay to they can come in handy when you fail leadership in cc.

I can see how a 4+ invul is great for a dp but for cc purposes i would run with MoN (but thats just me)
running your dp's behind rhinos and keeping them in cover should give you the 4+

other then that I like the list =)

Stevd927 wrote:I would keep the melta guns on your csm's go with both of the same when it comes to special weapons imo.

+1 this. Always keep the same special weps in squads, for range and purpose.

DaJacke wrote:Good point. Removing the Icon and adding the EA leaves me 10pts over. Suggestions?

MBs for the Skull Champ, just in case there's AV14 in their way or a AV13 Dreadnought. Hmm, maybe blades for their rhino, too.

Oops, *over* you said. Losing one KB altogether would be okay, although I run mine 10 strong.

Yes, this is a good list. as has been said, MoTz on princes if you arent using two psychic powers is iffy, I'd rather go with MoN or S, but that's just me. Warptime is a good choice.

With those ten points you can put a combi melta or flamer on a rhino. always fun.

You can drop points by giving one of the squads Flamer, Flamer instead of double-melta. I'd keep the IoCG though.

I would run the Princes with MoS and Lash, or with Mark of Nurgle. Lash is a really sick ability that can steal wins from your opponent on occasion, by shoving them off objectives. Works wonders putting your opponent into position to be assaulted too, hit with templates, or blasted with Battle Cannons and Plasma Cannons... all of those things that you're already running. It's less points, too. OR, MoN gives him 6 toughness, and he becomes really hard to wound when he's on his way in. Either way it's better than the 4++, IMO.

It's a really nice list, especially for a 1st time player. Best of luck!

If you have MoT, then you need Warptime AND Wind of Chaos. Otherwise there isn't a point of really taking it. Yeah you get a 4++, but if you create a list around them and play them right they shouldn't get shot at too much. Besides that, people are scared s#!&less of them and will do everything they can to shoot them to death.

The greatest strength of Warptime is when its used in combat (duh, I know), so you have to think of what other qualities you want in a DP for it to secceed in CC. Thats why Slaanesh and Nurgle marks are usually given to them. Having I6 is if you wanna take out ICs, and T6 is just fun to have. Making units roll 6's to wound makes me laugh everytime (while they cry).

Everything in the list looks good. I'd just switch the Meltas on the PM squad to PG since you usually want them to be camping in back. And I'd maybe keep the icon incase you want to DS the Oblits to a pinpoint location you would then have three places to put them, say...if you wanna open up on a tank or say...throw down three flamer templates before your Zerkers charge in. It's not needed, but it could come in handy.

Daemon Prince, MoS, Wings, Lash, 155 pts
Daemon Prince, MoS, Wings, Lash, 155 pts

10 CSM, Champ w/ PF, IoCG, 2x Melta, Rhino, 255pts
10 CSM, Champ w/ PF, IoCG, 2x Melta, Rhino, 255pts
5 Plague Marines, 2x Plasma Gun, Rhino, 180pts
10 Bezerkers, Champ w/ PF + MB, Icon, Rhino w/ EA, 310pts

3 Obliterators, 225pts
Defiler, 150pts
Defiler, 150pts

Total: 1835pts

This leaves me with 15 extra points.
Should I add EA to another Rhino? Upgrade a champ bolter/pistol?

add another plague marine

I thought about that, removing the icon + 15 gives me 20 pts, but the plague marine is 23, where would I get the other 3 pts from?

MB's on the zerks imo not really needed when your champ is rocking the PF imo

Perfect! Thanks everyone

yea if you got a pf dont take melta bombs. is this list for a tournament or just some game you are getting ready for if you want i can show you my 2k list and you can see what im running if you want a different perspective on things