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Right well after having a test with my list I have decided to make some changes and just seeing what people make of them.

HQ

Grey Knight Grand Master
- Nemesis Force Halberd
- Rad Grenades
- Psychotroke grenades
Total 210pts


Elite

Venerable Dreadnought
- Assault Cannon
- Psybolt ammunition
Total 190pts

(5) Paladins
- 2 Psycannon’s
- 3 Nemesis Force Halberds
- 1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer
- Brotherhood Banner
Total 340pts


Troops

(10) Grey Knight Strike Squad
- 2 psycannons
- 1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer
- Psybolt ammunition
- Rhino
Total 270pts

(10) Grey Knight Strike Squad
- 2 psycannons
- 1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer
- Psybolt ammunition
- Rhino
Total 270pts

(5) Grey Knight Terminators
- 1 psycannon
- 1 Nemesis Daemon Hammer
- 4 Nemesis Force Halberds
- Psybolt ammunition
Total 245pts


Fast Attack

Stormraven
- Twin-linked multimelta
- Twin linked assault cannons
- Psybolt ammunition
Total 225pts


So basically the Paladins and GM will ride in the raven (possibly with the ven riding in the back), termines will deep strike in to nap a objective or reinforce a area quickly. GKPA's will be your standard fire support + controlling enemies deepstrikers.

Few things to say. Overall the list is decent, but there are a few small wargear and unit changes that would improve the list a lot.


1) I like how your strike squads are set up. That is exactly how I would take them.


2) I would drop the Normal Terminators on foot for more Strike Squad Guys. The foot terminators (or deep striking i guess) are not really adding much to the list.


3) ONLY 10 man squads get Psybolt ammo. NEVER on a 5 man squad. You are paying 20 pts for 3 paladins to get a S5 storm bolter. Just not worth it.
Also, the Psybolt ammo is too expensive for the Storm raven. Just take an Assault Cannon and a Multi-Melta and be done with it.


4) Paladins NEED strong Inv Saves and Wound Allocation (each model is different so each one can take one wound before you remove a model) Here is my recommended setup

Psycannon and Sword
Psycannon and Hammer
Sword
Hammer
Stave

Why no halberds? Well.


5) I think you should change the Grand Master to a Librarian. With Quicksilver, your paladins can hit first and still have the 4++ save in combat for protection. With Might of Titan, no Walker can tie you up in combat. Sanctuary lets you assault more and is bad for horde units that want to charge you and tie you up. Sanctuary helps to protect you from AP2 shooting.

You do not have a lot of units that would benefit from grand strategy as you would have 3 10 man troops units (if you take my suggestions), and nothing that would really benefit from scout moves or your other options.


6) Lastly, your venerable dread SHOULD have 2x Auto-cannons and Psybolt ammo. (maybe you could even take 2 Normal Dreads in that configuration instead)
GK NEED SHOOTING AT MORE THAN 24"
your only have a few good options for this. Rifle Dreads are probably the best. Razorbacks work as well, as do henchmen, but neither fit into your list well.

You already have buckets of S7 rending shots at 24", why do you need even more?

Hey thanks for your reply

svendrex wrote:1) I like how your strike squads are set up. That is exactly how I would take them.

Yeah I think thats about the only way you can use them sadly :(

2) I would drop the Normal Terminators on foot for more Strike Squad Guys. The foot terminators (or deep striking i guess) are not really adding much to the list.


3) ONLY 10 man squads get Psybolt ammo. NEVER on a 5 man squad. You are paying 20 pts for 3 paladins to get a S5 storm bolter. Just not worth it.

I actually exchanged the terminators for a unit of purifiers, main reason is this allowed me to use the raven to transport the Paladins and then I could deep strike the terminators, I was actually considering adding in a unit of 10 PAGK in a rhino but its going to hurt my wallet abit much, as for the psy ammo I had been thinking that was a waste, I was considering dropping the Paladins and just taking a unit of 10 terminators, I would then combat squad them, one with GM in raven and the other deep striking.

Also, the Psybolt ammo is too expensive for the Storm raven. Just take an Assault Cannon and a Multi-Melta and be done with it.

This is just something I did so I can pretend they are psycannons and use the forgeworld psycannon kits, I just think it will look cool

4) Paladins NEED strong Inv Saves and Wound Allocation (each model is different so each one can take one wound before you remove a model) Here is my recommended setup

Psycannon and Sword
Psycannon and Hammer
Sword
Hammer
Stave

Why no halberds? Well.

I actually like the halberds, be it on terminators or paladins, I think if I get a unit of 10 I might get a mix of halberds and swords,

5) I think you should change the Grand Master to a Librarian. With Quicksilver, your paladins can hit first and still have the 4++ save in combat for protection. With Might of Titan, no Walker can tie you up in combat. Sanctuary lets you assault more and is bad for horde units that want to charge you and tie you up. Sanctuary helps to protect you from AP2 shooting.

You do not have a lot of units that would benefit from grand strategy as you would have 3 10 man troops units (if you take my suggestions), and nothing that would really benefit from scout moves or your other options.

I have been using a lib with my marines and decided I wanted a change, I have to say I was tempted to downgrade him to a brother captain, still I think most units would benefit from counter attack or rerolling one's to wound (would be great with all those stombolters)

6) Lastly, your venerable dread SHOULD have 2x Auto-cannons and Psybolt ammo. (maybe you could even take 2 Normal Dreads in that configuration instead)
GK NEED SHOOTING AT MORE THAN 24"
your only have a few good options for this. Rifle Dreads are probably the best. Razorbacks work as well, as do henchmen, but neither fit into your list well.

As good as they are I don't really want one in my list, I have a desire to paint the forgeworld one with FW and psycannon

like i said the other good options for long range shooting is a Razorback.

You can consider having one for your purifier squad. Heavy Bolter and Psybolt Ammo is good as it is cheap and hits at 36"



The only thing I forgot to mention of the librarian is that they go with stormraven as well. you can go flat out for a 3+ cover save, and since the storm raven will have a lot of target priority, it might be good to make it more durable.

Grand strategy is good for the paladins and purifiers as well. Counter attack is nice for both, as it scoring if you are only going to have 2 troops base.




go for the cool looking forgeworld stuff.

You've used librarians before, but a gk librarian is a different animal. Super assaulty and durable, equipped with a warding stave, attached to paladins, jumping out of a storm raven, giving the entire squad initiative 10, and +1str; it's amazing.

My Favorite set up for a 5 pal+lib is
Lib with stave, sanct, shroud, quicksilver, Mot, and sometimes warp rift
1 pal with psycannon/hammer
1 pal with psycannon/banner
1 pal with falchions
1 pal with sword
1 pal with halberd

It's a ton of attacks at high str (6) with good penetration mostly at init 10.

Sometimes I feel saucy and play an extra falchion.

Those guys, assaulting out of a stormraven is a win.

hah no I know how good they are but its seems like every list is either a Lib, Draigo or Cowel, I fancied something different is all!

So what would people think if I just went with a big unit of 10 Paladins, combat squaded them and had 5 + character in the Raven and the other 5 deep strike? or went for the cheap option and just had 10 terminators doing the same? would allow me to take advantage of psybolt ammo on both units for half the price.

Also do you think banner is really worth it considering one guy loses his power weapon attacks?

svendrex wrote:Grand strategy is good for the paladins and purifiers as well. Counter attack is nice for both, as it scoring if you are only going to have 2 troops base.

Well I think its more than two units, making the venerable count as scoring could be very handy, the venerable rule really kept it going in the game last time, was just my leadership rolls that sucked for fortitude :(