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Ok I took a few months off from my beloved Orks because the GK codex was just too heart breaking.

I figure that now that a few months have passed, I was hoping a few anti-GK tactics/builds may have come out to give Ork players options.

So does anyone have good Orky advice or ideas they can share?

Mo' Dakka?

or perhaps

Krush dem 'umies!



Seriously though, the codex hasn't changed any. You need to just play to your strengths and use proper target priority. The GK Codex is strong, but not nearly as "overpowered" as most people would like you to believe. You just can't make any mistakes against them, they are tough.

Taktiks? They are just regular spacemarines, really. The only thing you have to watch out for are purifiers or paladins. Everything else is pretty much standard beakie bashing.

Take out purifiers by shooting or send a medium group of regular nobz after them, not MANz(no invul save) or biker nobz(too expensive, too few). Only assault them with boyz as a last resort, even if you kill them, the mob will be useless afterwards due to too many casualties.

For paladins - just shoot them with everything you have. Assault them with boyz/burnaz/nobz once they lost their FNP and either their IC or banner carrier.

If there is a librarian on the battlefield without that 2++ save in close combat, charge any mob of boyz into his unit(even purifiers), get your nob in base contact with it and instant-death it. It will be more expensive in points than any boyz mob you throw at it.

One last thing, warbosses will get randomly killed by GK all the time without much impact. If you want to be on the save side, replace them with Ghazghkull Thrakka. He is an eternal warrior and can wipe many GK units on his own.

Nah, as a GK player, I'm going to say it's the Str 5 psybolts that will get ya.

You need to focus your attacks into bringing down threats. Don't try to get crafty and throw what you think is "just enough" to kill something. GK units throw out a lot of beats for such a small army. The more models they lose, the less effective they will be against your horde!

Or try going with pure Shooty Orks. Boomwagons, SAGMeks, Shootaboyz. KMB spam if they like Termies and Paladins. Lootas, maybe Burnas, maybe Tankbustas.

I think Dredds and Kans aren't quite as viable against them, except for using the Kans as gun platforms, which you can do better at with Big Gunz.

I'm not that familiar with GK, but from what I understand, they're marines with instant-death melee weapons and lots of medium strength shots. This makes Nobz and cheap vehicles cry.

Wouldn't a battlewagon bash list do fine, though? Make a wall of 4-5 wagons and deffrolla him to... deff. As long as you keep your nobz reasonably priced, and don't assault a full strength unit. Do they have a good counter to the bash?

Nobody has a good counter to the Bash. Then again, it doesn't seem like many people actually play the true Bash.

digi laser wrote:I'm not that familiar with GK, but from what I understand, they're marines with instant-death melee weapons and lots of medium strength shots. This makes Nobz and cheap vehicles cry.

Wouldn't a battlewagon bash list do fine, though? Make a wall of 4-5 wagons and deffrolla him to... deff. As long as you keep your nobz reasonably priced, and don't assault a full strength unit. Do they have a good counter to the bash?

Those instant death weapons are heavily overvalued against nobz. To instant death something you have to wound and hit it first, with ten models maximum and two attacks each, they will really struggle to put five wounds onto a nobz unit without support. And then they might still fail their psychic test.

To instant death something you have to wound and hit it first, with ten models maximum and two attacks each, they will really struggle to put five wounds onto a nobz unit

20 attacks, 10 hits, 5 wounds. So about average, actually.

Nobz usually have a 5++ save, and even five wounds will still get about half the GK squad killed by klaws. Not to mention any psycannons not having NFW in the first place.

Nob bikers w/5 PW Fists and the other 5 have 5++ from painboy... Devastating!! Just stay away from their incinerators!

Don't footslog the boyz either, that much bolter fire will decimate them down. Instead, put 20 in a wagon with a deff rolla and red paint.

So you're suggesting a 675 point unit(before diversifying) that can't take a transport against an army that will take down two of those 50-75 point models each turn of assault and cause random instant deathes with their most used heavy support?

Nobz are, in general, a real bad idea against GK. No way to make them cost-efficient once their armor, FNP and extra wound are all negated. A Painboy and cybork kinda works, but it sends their cost through the roof.

Although Battlewagons are still good, you want to keep the Nobz relatively cheap, because they will die very fast. You're mostly taking them for the extra 'Wagons against GK.

Massed Meganobz with Cybork from Grotsnik could be... interesting.

Especially against a Paladin army. They're essentially the same, after all. Meganobz just aren't as good shots- but being able to Sweeping Advance and Furious Charge would probably make up for it. That and Waaagh!!

Except for Paladins having much more attacks, higher initiative, better invul saves(swords) and most likely ICs attached that actually make them better, rather than simply die to the first wound.

Don't get nobz anywhere near 10 man paladin squads.

digi laser: Why would you ever pick 'eavy armor over cybork vs grey knights? Why would you ever pick it at all? You still can use FNP against anyone holding one of those awesome psybolters, and as pointed out above, most GK squads don't manage to kill nobz if they are charged. If you wipe their squads, you made your points back. They also work against purifiers, something you can't kill with most of our units.

Jidmah wrote:One last thing, warbosses will get randomly killed by GK all the time without much impact. If you want to be on the save side, replace them with Ghazghkull Thrakka. He is an eternal warrior and can wipe many GK units on his own.

Im not 100% but im pretty sure Ghaz doesnt have eternal warrior.

Waaagh Junkie wrote:

Jidmah wrote:One last thing, warbosses will get randomly killed by GK all the time without much impact. If you want to be on the save side, replace them with Ghazghkull Thrakka. He is an eternal warrior and can wipe many GK units on his own.

Im not 100% but im pretty sure Ghaz doesnt have eternal warrior.

ghaz most definatly does have eternal warrior pg 58 ork codex part of the adamantite skull rule

Ah K. Illl have to check it when I go home, but if so then ive been giving my friends a nice advantage haha

A friend of mine plays GK, he's new to the game, so I'll probably have to revise my tactics as he plays more and gets better, but disclaimers aside, the best strategy I've found so far is to overwhelm their best unit with as much of your army as possible, preferrably using only shooting (GK high point units tend to ruin the assault phase for everybody).

GK have a lot of synergy units, that tends to be what makes them tougher than regular space marines.

For example:

This past Friday he and I had a small 1000pt game with him, and he sank a lot of his points into a librarian and terminator death star unit in a stormraven. I launched around 800 pts of boyz and burnas at him, and in the course of one shooting phase his terminators and his librarian were all murderated.

After that point he really had nothing left to fight me with.

I know that is a unique situation, but I'm going to keep trying to apply the divide and conquer principle to GK.

I have played 6 or 7 games vs GKs now and they are very hard for me.

I play BW Rush, He plays Purifiers with 2 Dreadknights.

The Psydreads seem to break things and can usually get side shots on at least 1 BW.

Cleansing Flame is devastating.


Nobs work well. The can kill a squad of purifiers, or a dreadknight. Painboy is a waste, but my list is all comers so he stays.

I have not really found a good way to play agaisnt a purifier list, though paladins seems simple enough. I will run them over 100 times with Deff rollas and they will have issues.

I have found burnas to be fairly useless in these games, as most of them die before they get to strike... I am debating cutting them for more massed boys.

Here is my standard list Battlewagon Rush

Note: despite popular opinon, in most cases I have found using the burna flame template to deal more damage than using them as power weapons. They work well from a vehicle; however, I am still considering cutting them as they are a bit of a unitasker.

the problem is getting them into position to burna things.

Specifically vs grey knights, they are pretty much spread out, as they are expensive so moving 7" to burna out of the wagon is trickier than it seems.

In 60+ games I am yet to get a chance to really burn something from the wagon.

Waaagh Junkie wrote:Ah K. Illl have to check it when I go home, but if so then ive been giving my friends a nice advantage haha

It's part of his adamantium skull wargear.

digi laser wrote:

Massed Meganobz with Cybork from Grotsnik could be... interesting.

Boss Grotsnik is a Kommando Nob... where are you getting Cybork for Meganobs from, would LOVE to know! =D

Snikrot is the Kommando Boss. Grotsnik is the Mad Dok, the one that did Ghazkul's Cyborkifications. He's Mad as a hat full of Stinger Squigs, and meaner than a Face Biter.

While I haven't had the chance to pour over the new grey knight book if they don't have shroud I don't see why you can't use something like the Shokk Attack Gun, or looted wagons with some boom guns. ^-^

My mistake. Hmmm.... cybork meganobs.... time to make my friends/opponents cry.

KingmanHighborn wrote:While I haven't had the chance to pour over the new grey knight book if they don't have shroud I don't see why you can't use something like the Shokk Attack Gun, or looted wagons with some boom guns. ^-^

The SAG is probably one of your best HQs vs Greyknights, just hide it well.

My SAG always seems to be a personal teleporter for my mek to get killed in assault vs things.

I have an uncanny ability to roll double 5's. HAHAHA

I did roll box cars with it on a Chaos land raider once, killing it and 4/5 assualt terms inside on turn 1.

I think the probability of that is like 1 in 5000000000 but it made for a very short game.

Looted wagons seem like a much better move than SAG. Or BWs with KillKannons.

KillKannon, Kannon and 4 rokkits. with an ard case and 5 lootas inside. the ultimate in Ork fireplat forms.

Or 3 Kannons / Zzap guns if you feel lucky. BS3 grots ftw!