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HQ
Castellan Crowe 150 pts
Grandmaster (psycannon, halberd, Rad, and psychotroke grenades) 255 pts

Troops
10 man Purifier squad (2 Psycannons, Deamonhammer, 7 halberds, psybolt ammo) 299 pts
Rhino 40 pts

10 man Purifier squad (2 Psycannons, Deamonhammer, 7 halberds, psybolt ammo) 299 pts
Rhino 40 pts

6 man terminator squad (5 swords, 1 Deamonhammer, psycannon, psybolts) 285 pts

Elites
Vindicare Assassin 145 pts

Fast Attack
Stormraven (Assault cannon, Multi-melta, psybolts) 225 pts
Stormraven (Assault cannon, Multi-melta, psybolts) 225 pts

Heavy Support
Dreadnought (2 Auto-cannons, psybolts) 135 pts
Dreadnought (2 Auto-cannons, psybolts) 135 pts
Landraider crusader (searchlight, multi-melta) 266 pts
2499 pts


the Grandmaster goes with the Terminators in the LRC to form an assault unit.

Crowe can hop in one of the stormravens just to make himself useful or he can Footslog somewhere.

Dreds are for Auto-cannon saturation.

LRC and Rhinos roll around blasting things supported by the Stormravens.

1) If you're taking SRs, take a Librarian. 3+ Cover Save at Flat out can and will save your hiney

2) If thats the route you're going, I would just pull the LRC out of the list completely and instead use the SRs for what they are for (fast assault vehicles) in replacement of the LRC.
Remember that you can reserve the Stormraven, go flat out 24" and then assault out of it, thereby giving you a roughly 32" charge distance when you need it (24" movement, 2" out of hatch, 6" charge)

3) Change the Dreads to Venerable, which you will have enough points for once you go librarian and drop the LRC.

4) Plain out...get more bodies on the field. The terminators are not the best choice in a Purifier list, because you're already paying 150 for Crowe. Any time you take anything not purifiers you are making your purifiers less cost efficient.

5) Not a huge fan of the vindicare, but I also have bad mileage with him. Never works the way I want to. I personally have had more luck with a callidus. Thats just me though

Quick Math I just did...
Crowe
Librarian
3x10 Man Purifier Squads
Vindicare
2x SR without Psybolts
3x Ven PR Dreads
Between 2420-2500 depending on exact librarian and squad equip.
My .02

I would rather not rely on the Stormravens as Assault vehicles.

people will be expecting it and it could easily result in stranded models.



I could swap the GM for a libby, but I would miss those Rad and Psychotroke grenades.

Seanzor, you cannot disembark from the Storm Raven in the same turn it has moved or is going to move flat out See pg.70 of the rule book in the section that says Fast Transport Vehicles. Other than that I like your suggestions for the most part. Having a LR isn't terrible, its nice to have that AV14 bunker moving up the field. LRs tend to scare people and it could help draw some fire from the Storm Ravens.

I have been considering keeping the Stormravens in reserve and using Psychic Communion to bring them on earlier.


I did it in a game a few days ago and it was really effective.

it was objective in each deployment zone and the stormraven came on(it had 10 purifiers and a dred in it)

my opponent was playing an Armored Company and had 3 Lemun Russes and a Chimera on my objective. they were able to clear them out(with the aid of one of my terminators squads) and hope back in the storm raven and then zoom up and take my opponents objective within 2 turns. I had been losing pretty hard untill then.


In this list the stormravens give me options. I can have dudes in Rhinos and the Stormravens are pure shooty platforms or I can start in them. Or get picked up 1/2 way through.

I'd drop the Grandmaster for a Librarian for the Shrouding to keep the birds in the air a bit longer. I'd drop the Vindicare and take a Techpriest with Rads if you are looking to keep cool nades. I'd drop the Land Raider and try to shuffle for more Psyflmans or maybe even a CCW Dread or two to stick on those ravens. Lose the Rhinos for more points towards dreads, mount the purifers in the ravens one with a libbie the other with a techpriest, deep strike the termies. Lean and mean, but going that route almost requires 3 Ravens for saturation...

A 2500 pt list with 28 dudes, 4 AV 12 vehicles, 2 AV 11 vehicles, and 1 AV 14 vehicle?

My Tau love you.

Question, why do the purifiers not have max psycannons? I mean, they are 10 pts each. Just do it.

First of all, unless you NEED grand strategy, lose the GM; A librarian's psychic powers are better and cheaper than the grenades.

Second, people like to $#!t on the vindicare, I love it, as long as you embark into something and use it for it's two reliable abilities. 1- Turbo penetrate vehicles. 2, remove a single wound model with Hellfire.

Third, max your psycannons - that's just a GK rule, drop the sixth terminator if you need to find a way to pay for it.

Fourth, if you decide not, for some reason, to play the librarian. Then lose your 255 HQ for a 275 point draigo. He's got eternal warrior and he's amazing in CC. You keep grand strategy. You can trade in the 285 point terminator squad, lose all 3 psybolt upgrades, buy 4 more psycannons for your purifiers, and your remaining 285 points become a 5 man paladin squad. Lose the psybolts on the storm raven to give the paladins 2x psycannons, and lose the f'ing searchlight to give the paladins a warding stave.

Now. Draigo + Paladins Get one storm raven, one squad of purifiers gets the second storm raven. For Sieze ground, combat squad a purifier squad and give them a rhino and the landraider and force crowe to wander around aimlessly as the vindicare gets the last rhino; for any other mission, everyone is in transports.

It's funny, Iron-Fist is kind of right, I play tau as well, and they're my favorite army to field against grey knights - I'm avoiding CC all the time anyway, so I don't care about the force weapons; I've got a ton of AP2 fire, so I don't care about terminators, and broadsides eat psyflenoughts for lunch. That being said, don't worry about tau, no one else does.

I don't like losing power attacks for psycannons. 4 psycannons just seems overkill.

I think you are right about the GM. Libby is much better.



How about this list?

HQ
Castellan Crowe 150 pts
Librarian (Warding Stave, Quicksilver, Might of Titan, Shrouding) 200 pts

Troops
10 man Purifier squad (2 Psycannons, Deamonhammer, 7 halberds, psybolt ammo) 299 pts
Rhino 40 pts

10 Purifiers (4 psycannons, 6 Halberds, psybolt ammo) 312 pts
Rhino 40 pts

10 man Purifier squad (2 Psycannons, Deamonhammer, 7 halberds, psybolt ammo) 299 pts

Elites
Venerable Dreadnought (assault cannon, psybolts) 190 pts
Techmarine (Rad grenades)100 pts

Fast Attack
Stormraven (Assault cannon, Multi-melta, psybolts) 225 pts
Stormraven (Assault cannon, Multi-melta, psybolts) 225 pts

Heavy Support
Dreadnought (2 Auto-cannons, psybolts) 135 pts
Dreadnought (2 Auto-cannons, psybolts) 135 pts
Dreadnought (TL-lascannon, missile launcher) 150 pts
2500 pts

That's pretty tough, 4 dreadnoughts are really amazing a saturation, and bolstering the ruin the venerable hangs out in with the techmarine will make it nearly unkillable. I miss the vindicare, especially with a techmarine to bolster ruins for him, but I think I'm the only one who considers them to be competitive. Some people might tell you to take those Purifiers down to 6 man squads and spam razorbacks, especially if you're not maxing psycannons. I'd say Keep 1 10 man squad, then play 3 six man squads. I like ass-backs, some people like lazorbacks, either way you can make a serious gunline with 4 dreads and 3 well armed razorbacks.

Still, I think your list is good, and you should do very well with it against most armies. I do miss seeing the vindicare in there though.

Grey Templar wrote:I don't like losing power attacks for psycannons. 4 psycannons just seems overkill.

I think you are right about the GM. Libby is much better.



How about this list?

HQ
Castellan Crowe 150 pts
Librarian (Warding Stave, Quicksilver, Might of Titan, Shrouding) 200 pts

Troops
10 man Purifier squad (2 Psycannons, Deamonhammer, 7 halberds, psybolt ammo) 299 pts
Rhino 40 pts

10 Purifiers (4 psycannons, 6 Halberds, psybolt ammo) 312 pts
Rhino 40 pts

10 man Purifier squad (2 Psycannons, Deamonhammer, 7 halberds, psybolt ammo) 299 pts

Elites
Venerable Dreadnought (assault cannon, psybolts) 190 ptsI assume this is going in a SR? Why not add a HF and Psy flam ammo?
Techmarine (Rad grenades)100 ptsWhy do you have this guy, Rad grenades? Works better with a Vindcare = 2+ cover save. Aslo take Psycotrope Grenades for him.

Fast Attack
Stormraven (Assault cannon, Multi-melta, psybolts) 225 pts50 pts wasted here to make the ASC Str 7, buy more psycaonnons of upgrade a rhino to a razor w/ psybolts.
Stormraven (Assault cannon, Multi-melta, psybolts) 225 pts

Heavy Support
Dreadnought (2 Auto-cannons, psybolts) 135 pts
Dreadnought (2 Auto-cannons, psybolts) 135 pts
Dreadnought (TL-lascannon, missile launcher) 150 pts[/color] Rifleman is better, or add another Asc/DCCW dread like in elite[/color]
2500 pts

the Dred might be going in the stormraven. I didn't buy a HF cause i don't have the points.

its only 40 points to make the Stormravens have psybolts. and to upgrade to a psycannon is a good upgrade in my book. I don't have the points to put my normal Hurricane Bolters on.

the Techmarine is for his Rad grenades, I can't find points for the Psychotroke(would love to) the Bolster is probably going to be used for the one Purifier squad with 4 psycannons so they can hang back and blast things.

In my limited experience playing against grey knights I can off this to you: You need a way to field casualties. You have, even in the revised list, about thirty marines at 2500 points, which means every shot that can’t take out a vehicle is going right onto the marines. I know that’s common sense, but it bears repeating.
One of the guys at the local game store uses a list similar to this, he has three storm ravens, and doesn’t bother with the tech marine or the vindicare, and runs the LRC list that is VERY similar to your list. Problem is that when he takes casualties, his combat effectiveness drops significantly. If only one round of shooting kills off three marines your infantry combat effectiveness drops by about five percent, and about ten percent of your infantry models are gone.
When he loses (and that isn’t all the time, but he has lost more than won with this list) he normally looses because eldar take out the land raider, or immobilize it turn one, or the 27,000 missile launchers on the field hit their mark and take it out, or whatever the case may be, and he has to hoof it, where he gets chewed up pretty heavily while running across the field.
The dreadnaught spam is good, as they are just walking dakka, and the psyrifleman dreads are definitely the way to go, but there are going to be a lot of St.8 weapons on the table, you might want to back off of them a little in favor of more dudes. Even dropping one of the five could really help out.
I am sure I am probably just preaching to the choir and I am sure that you probably know everything I said, but that’s my experience in playing against them. 2500 is a lot of points, and it seems that without any way to take casualties, its going to get pretty bad for ya if they take out the LRC early on.