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Im just noticed that after reading the rule book lots of monsters suddenly get leadership value where they dont in the army codexes?

For example the araknarok spider gets a leadership of 8 in the rule book, but has no value for leadership in codex.

I have read the rule book and i cant find an explanation?

anyone have any ideas?

brainscan wrote:anyone have any ideas?

Monstrous spiders from the wild are smarter than monstrous spiders that are fed, poked, and bullied by goblins?

brainscan wrote:Im just noticed that after reading the rule book lots of monsters suddenly get leadership value where they dont in the army codexes?

For example the araknarok spider gets a leadership of 8 in the rule book, but has no value for leadership in codex.

I have read the rule book and i cant find an explanation?

anyone have any ideas?

I'm guessing that the crew of the arachnarok have a Ld value?

AFAIK, rules-wise a ridden monster (e.g. arachnarok) tests on the Ld of it's crew (representing the fact that they are controlled by the crew who direct it around the field and/or make it turn around and flee when appropriate), not the other way around (where the crew just climb onto the back and hope the big-ass spider decides it wants to join the battle, rather than do normal spidery things like hang around in the folds of a shower curtain or something).

However, in the case of the monsters in Storm of Magic scrolls of summoning, these fellows lack riders, and therefore are supposedly commanded by their own free will, and thus require a Ld value to test against as there is no rider to goad/command them.

Leigen_Zero wrote:
AFAIK, rules-wise a ridden monster (e.g. arachnarok) tests on the Ld of it's crew (representing the fact that they are controlled by the crew who direct it around the field and/or make it turn around and flee when appropriate), not the other way around (where the crew just climb onto the back and hope the big-ass spider decides it wants to join the battle, rather than do normal spidery things like hang around in the folds of a shower curtain or something).

made my morning.

Leigen_Zero wrote:
However, in the case of the monsters in Storm of Magic scrolls of summoning, these fellows lack riders, and therefore are supposedly commanded by their own free will, and thus require a Ld value to test against as there is no rider to goad/command them.

Technically, many of them are commanded by the binding scrolls, hence the Cantrip that has a chance to undo the bindings. But yes, the LD stat is because they're autonomous, not ridden.

great explanation. Lol that really made my day! thanks.

"However, we assume the crew to be in complete control of the monster, so the Arachnarok Spider's Leadership is never used."

It's as cowardly as the crew. Or more to the point, the crew forgets they're on top of a gigantic spider and don't have to be cowardly anymore.

Basically, anything that wasn't supposed to be broken into individual models they don't give full individual stats to. Like the horses on chariots. Now that they break it apart, they need the full stats.