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Double rewards on Monday, after a quiet weekend? OK, fair enough!

That is a pretty impressive addition to the team...

Insert clever Dana Carvey Church Lady Memes...

This one is easily going to go over the 10 mil mark.

Wow. I'm stunned at the entitlement displayed in the Update comments. I just can't wrap my head around people hating on Poots because he isn't showering them with freebees.

So many fething special snowflakes in this hobby. :(

Don't forget they want single piece minis as well, or even better, just standees because they don't want to be bothered with the figures.

It's also more money than these people want to spend so Adam should chuck all the figures so it's at a price point that they feel is acceptable.

I thought it was cool the fact that he mentions they'll do a Satan expansion during the campaign was already him throwing everyone a bone.

 Breotan wrote:
Wow. I'm stunned at the entitlement displayed in the Update comments. I just can't wrap my head around people hating on Poots because he isn't showering them with freebees.

So many fething special snowflakes in this hobby. :(

Could just be that people still don't see the value in their current pledge level. Perhaps there shouldn't have been any early bird deals so the project would have grown at a less inflated rate. But then, who am I to question. If I hadn't set an alarm for the launch and missed the early birds I'd certainly only be a dollar backer at this point. Much like I was with Mythic Battles till the final 48hrs.


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Tl:dr I think those who are complaining have pledged higher than they are comfortable to pledge at this stage because they're sat on "early bird" deals. That was also "the point" of the gambler pledges.

As the total passes $6.7 million I think Poots can choose to believe a vast majority are happy with the releases so far.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
So when the KS was announced I was like "yeah I don't know, too expensive". Now I'm suddenly watching all the BoW videos, reading the KS comments, reading the BGG forum, looking at unboxings and painted models on CMON, and planning how much stuff I can sell so I can pour all my money into as many expansions as possible... is this the effect KDM has on everyone? O_o

Those BoW vids are definitely worth watching. Quite long but definitely give people who have no idea about how the game plays, such as me, a sense of the mechanics. Also haven't seen Warren genuinely so excited about a game for some time, which is probably a good sign in that the guy must play practically every new game that comes along.

So you haven't seen a BoW video before then? :-p I kid, I kid, but BoW is one of my guilty-pleasures, only because they are over-the-moon for literally any game they have ever touched in their lives. I own so much crap due to listening to them before realizing how incapable of candor they are. :-p

Haha.. I think they do a good job of being excited about the hobby.

But, I've seen enough of their vids to differentiate the genuine enthusiasm. Especially considering that these apparently took a whole day to shoot, they must have been pretty tired.

PomWallaby wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Wow. I'm stunned at the entitlement displayed in the Update comments. I just can't wrap my head around people hating on Poots because he isn't showering them with freebees.

So many fething special snowflakes in this hobby. :(

Could just be that people still don't see the value in their current pledge level. Perhaps there shouldn't have been any early bird deals so the project would have grown at a less inflated rate. But then, who am I to question. If I hadn't set an alarm for the launch and missed the early birds I'd certainly only be a dollar backer at this point. Much like I was with Mythic Battles till the final 48hrs.


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Tl:dr I think those who are complaining have pledged higher than they are comfortable to pledge at this stage because they're sat on "early bird" deals. That was also "the point" of the gambler pledges.

There's definitely an element of that in some people's concerns, I bet. With Christmas coming up, and end of year and start of year bills, some people will have to start looking real hard at the amount they've pledged and what they're getting for it. That's why I feel Adam should show a bit more now to cement that value in place and remove people's doubts. Then again, that's probably less of an issue at this point given how much money it's raised. Even a full 15% of backers dropping out won't have as much of an impact on the success of the project at this level.

really like the screaming god. Guess I'll have to take another plunge at a KD KS


Must say that the armor kits no longer coming with the expansion is a huge step in the wrong direction

I'm sitting at a $1300 Satan's pledge. I sold my first kickstarter for $2200. I know the value it had. The fact I get it back and all the new 1.5 stuff for $1300... it is a steal!

Some of the higher pledges are awesome values. Hell, I remember core sets going for $800 on ebay not too long ago. Any pledge with a core set and added expansions (look to be 50% off retail... dragon king was on ebay for $300 not too long ago), is a hell of a deal.

Needless to say I'm glad I will finally get my game back. I couldn't pass up the offer at the time, but always wanted to hunt some monsters...

Poots is a great guy, but im not sure why he takes the backers abuse in the comments... if I were poots I'd drop their pledges, block them from pledging again, and let them pay astranomical ebay prices for their abuse and entitlement. Poots passion for the game and making it available to anyone (no matter how immature they are in the comments) is just one of the things that makes Poots great

Hi

What the differecnce between the two kickstarter version of the game ?

Different/ more models ,reworked rules?

saluti

There have been some rule refinements and the rule book is now going to be hardback and a new mini has been added



if you've got the existing box game the $60 Lantern Upgrade pledge level get you all the new content, cards etc you need to upgrade the game (although the new box insert is going to add a bunch to the shipping cost so Adam is thinking of making that optional so if you don't want it or have already paid for a custom version you'll not pay a lot ,ore for something you don't need)

Darth Visari wrote:
What the differecnce between the two kickstarter version of the game ?

Different/ more models ,reworked rules?

1.5 gets all of the stuff in the upgrade pack built in:
- hardback rulebook
- non-crappy organizer
- Gold Smoke Knight
- Young Survivor
and more TBD


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 Breotan wrote:
Wow. I'm stunned at the entitlement displayed in the Update comments. I just can't wrap my head around people hating on Poots because he isn't showering them with freebees.

To be fair, the complaints aren't unwarranted:
- $250 core game is definitely a good value, better with the 1.5 upgrades;
- $60 upgrade pack is argubably "fair" with the GSK included; but it's not awesome;
- $100 Gambler's Chest clearly needs more stuff
- giant pledges are not up to snuff yet.

There's a 30-ish days for the big pledges to grow into their value, and it's not unfair for backers to want that to be demonstrated more clearly within the next couple weeks..

I'd say the Gambler's chest is already worth it if you're in it for just the minis at least.

There's already 8 included and I'd say it's a safe bet that we'd get at least 2 or 3 more *minimum*, and when you consider most KD plastics are selling in the campaign for 15 each (which is already a discount over the store prices), you'll be saving at least 50 bucks if the figures are ever sold individually.

And that's not even accounting for the advanced rules the box will include, or the fact that there's plenty of reveals to come, and it wouldn't surprise me if there's more hidden stuff tossed in as we go.

Adam did mention that the Gambler's box was going to be done in lieu of typical stretch goals, seeing as how the base game is actually complete already.

If/when the Gambler's chest gets the additional 3 items, then it'll probably be worth it. But we're not there yet. If the campaign closed today, I'm not sure the large, non-Core pledges make their value. That's the issue. More rolls sooner, and fewer later, would alleviate the issue.

Oh yeah, $35 First Hero expansion is still just 1 model? Where $35 gets 4 models in Lion Knight, or a big monster in Gorm?

First Hero expansion is 5 minis... the villain and the 4 veteran survivors. Where does the idea about 1 mini come from? Anyways i'm at the 777 gambler pledge level and no, its not got the best value yet, but its getting better as we go. I'm sure it will b there by the end of the campaign.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If/when the Gambler's chest gets the additional 3 items, then it'll probably be worth it. But we're not there yet. If the campaign closed today, I'm not sure the large, non-Core pledges make their value. That's the issue. More rolls sooner, and fewer later, would alleviate the issue.

Oh yeah, $35 First Hero expansion is still just 1 model? Where $35 gets 4 models in Lion Knight, or a big monster in Gorm?

What? From what I gathered the First hero expansion is the "Monster" + the four survivors depicted on the artwork (one of which is shown sculpted

I believe the First Hero expansion has the First Hero and 4 veteran survivors. They show one of the survivor models in the pledge, not the first hero

He's also mentioned they'll be adding another miniature to the First Hero expansion(or two?)- the one included is the 12 year hero, and he wants to add a 20 year Hero to it. Plus an alternate female hero, which I'm assuming will be the 20 year if not another alternate model.

OK, thanks. First Hero having 5 models is better for $35. Still, feels a little light compared to Gorm. Like a Gorm-less Gorm.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'd say the Gambler's chest is already worth it if you're in it for just the minis at least.

There's already 8 included and I'd say it's a safe bet that we'd get at least 2 or 3 more *minimum*, and when you consider most KD plastics are selling in the campaign for 15 each (which is already a discount over the store prices), you'll be saving at least 50 bucks if the figures are ever sold individually.

Yes, if you like the individual figures in the Gambler's Chest enough to have purchased them separately then it is definitely worth it, but I wonder just how many backers feel that way?

I've been buying KD figures since the first batch were released so it's safe to say that I'm a fan, but there are only one or two from the Gambler's Chest that I would have purchased individually. I get the impression that all or most of the items in the Gambler's Chest will be figures that Poot's didn't think would sell amazingly well on their own, alongside one or two yet-to-be-revealed big hitters that will make the GC a lot more desirable for people like me.

 Pacific wrote:
As the total passes $6.7 million I think Poots can choose to believe a vast majority are happy with the releases so far.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
So when the KS was announced I was like "yeah I don't know, too expensive". Now I'm suddenly watching all the BoW videos, reading the KS comments, reading the BGG forum, looking at unboxings and painted models on CMON, and planning how much stuff I can sell so I can pour all my money into as many expansions as possible... is this the effect KDM has on everyone? O_o

Those BoW vids are definitely worth watching. Quite long but definitely give people who have no idea about how the game plays, such as me, a sense of the mechanics. Also haven't seen Warren genuinely so excited about a game for some time, which is probably a good sign in that the guy must play practically every new game that comes along.

So you haven't seen a BoW video before then? :-p I kid, I kid, but BoW is one of my guilty-pleasures, only because they are over-the-moon for literally any game they have ever touched in their lives. I own so much crap due to listening to them before realizing how incapable of candor they are. :-p

Haha.. I think they do a good job of being excited about the hobby.

But, I've seen enough of their vids to differentiate the genuine enthusiasm. Especially considering that these apparently took a whole day to shoot, they must have been pretty tired.

Yeah these videos were shot in the day and a half I was there. Hence why there are some mistakes here and there since I was a) teaching them the game, b) trying to present it in an informative but fun manner, and c) keep the sense of fun and the tone of the game. Tough going but hopefully it will be easier when I go back in a few months to record the next lot of videos (we did 5 in a day and half, plus the backstage segment that was shown weeks ago). You also do see Warren and Justin change in their approach to the game in the next video or so.

I think that falls into the same fallacy as people who explode when GW characters "only" cost $20 instead of the usual $30. I don't think the value is good on its own, only relative to what they're able to charge for singles, so if they're not particularly desirable on their own, then it becomes a very different situation.

I'm on board for the gambler's silver level, but will probably jump ship for a couple hefty expansions if it looks like it isn't adding up. Currently in a similar place of not thinking it looks like a fantastic value, since none of the models have been home runs. I mean, they're nice, but I've already been converting my survivors to give them more character.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
I think that falls into the same fallacy as people who explode when GW characters "only" cost $20 instead of the usual $30. I don't think the value is good on its own, only relative to what they're able to charge for singles, so if they're not particularly desirable on their own, then it becomes a very different situation.

I'm on board for the gambler's silver level, but will probably jump ship for a couple hefty expansions if it looks like it isn't adding up. Currently in a similar place of not thinking it looks like a fantastic value, since none of the models have been home runs. I mean, they're nice, but I've already been converting my survivors to give them more character.

I am really hoping the Gambler is included as a nemesis encounter. Also a quarry would be a nice addition.

If we're getting into wishlisting, I want those 3 skulls to be the 3 lantern festival monsters. That would have me basically forgive anything else I don't like about this KS, as I'd kinda' rather see what I already bought once included in the bundle I've tentatively gotten in to than some new thing and those being another expense if I want access.

Does that make sense?

 dr_ether wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
As the total passes $6.7 million I think Poots can choose to believe a vast majority are happy with the releases so far.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
So when the KS was announced I was like "yeah I don't know, too expensive". Now I'm suddenly watching all the BoW videos, reading the KS comments, reading the BGG forum, looking at unboxings and painted models on CMON, and planning how much stuff I can sell so I can pour all my money into as many expansions as possible... is this the effect KDM has on everyone? O_o

Those BoW vids are definitely worth watching. Quite long but definitely give people who have no idea about how the game plays, such as me, a sense of the mechanics. Also haven't seen Warren genuinely so excited about a game for some time, which is probably a good sign in that the guy must play practically every new game that comes along.

So you haven't seen a BoW video before then? :-p I kid, I kid, but BoW is one of my guilty-pleasures, only because they are over-the-moon for literally any game they have ever touched in their lives. I own so much crap due to listening to them before realizing how incapable of candor they are. :-p

Haha.. I think they do a good job of being excited about the hobby.

But, I've seen enough of their vids to differentiate the genuine enthusiasm. Especially considering that these apparently took a whole day to shoot, they must have been pretty tired.

Yeah these videos were shot in the day and a half I was there. Hence why there are some mistakes here and there since I was a) teaching them the game, b) trying to present it in an informative but fun manner, and c) keep the sense of fun and the tone of the game. Tough going but hopefully it will be easier when I go back in a few months to record the next lot of videos (we did 5 in a day and half, plus the backstage segment that was shown weeks ago). You also do see Warren and Justin change in their approach to the game in the next video or so.

Well think you have been doing a pretty good job ! It's not like you are sitting down and explaining the rules for Exploding Kittens here.

And with the large (relative for other boardgame kickstarters) buy-in cost, people who don't understand the game will be prepared to watch the longer video format. Think it works well.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
If we're getting into wishlisting, I want those 3 skulls to be the 3 lantern festival monsters. That would have me basically forgive anything else I don't like about this KS, as I'd kinda' rather see what I already bought once included in the bundle I've tentatively gotten in to than some new thing and those being another expense if I want access.

Does that make sense?

I know what you mean, but I doubt that'll happen. I expect the various parts of the Lantern Festival (game hunters, scribe, king) to return as parts of bigger expansions. They've already released a few figures to represent the game hunters' attendants on the website in resin. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see an expansion with game hunters as nemesis encounters, in which you fight the hunters alongside their retinue.

Sitting at an early bird update pledge, for now. The gambler's box doesn't really interest me at the moment. I do like the narrative sculptures, but the last thing I need is more Phoenix-armored survivors, even if they are in cool poses. The rest of those spaces will have to be pretty incredible to get me to reconsider it. Depending on my finances, I could definitely see grabbing a few more expansions by the end of the campaign, though.

So, we got the $6.8M Update, which was supposed to include the 2x Gamblers Chest results, but where are they?

They were shown in the video - two more narrative sculpts with some very minor rules, The Romantic Adventurer, and the Screaming Hoarder.

Oh, OK, thanks!

The Gambler's Chest is indeed turning into the most random grab bag of stuff.

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