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I have a curious request. If you care whatsoever, keep reading. If you have better things to do, see my reply below (post number three).

I have twenty space marines with bolters. Three more that can count as Sergeants, two with meltas, one with a flamer, and a fourth with a ML. The fifth also has a ML, but I can't exchange his weapon or the guy with the flamer (swine AoBR).

I have an extra model to make a commander.
I also have some IG vets that would be convincing scouts.
I also have a dozen or so terminators with varying loadouts I could change with relative ease.
I also have many bitz to work with for converting/making my own heavy weapons.

I am not going to buy any new vehicles or troops.

I'd like to use Vulcan because he seems pretty hard to kill and TLs melta and flames. However, these guys are going to be footslogging (no possible way to change that). And meltas/flames are short range schtuff.

Which leads me to Kantor. He makes Sternguard scoring (whee small model count!) and I love his stormbolter. But mainly the sternguard thing.

If neither of those will work, I will resort to Belial and turn my termies into troops and use an out of date codex I can't find the online PDF for.

Looking at 750-1000 points here. What are my options? I know I'm asking a lot, etc etc Thanks for the help either way.

Rico..

whoops wrong post

In an effort to be slightly less useless, I've thought of two and a half lists.

HQ: Pedro

x10 Tac: 185
ML
Flamer
Beacon

x10 Tac: 185
ML
Flamer
Beacon

x5 Stern: 135
Plascannon

x8 Term: 320
x4 TH/SS
x4 LC
_____LIST TWO_____
HQ: Pedro

x10 Tac: 195
Las
Flamer
Beacon

x10 Tac: 195
Las
Flamer
Beacon

x5 Stern: 155
x2 Las

x7 Term: 280
x3 TH/SS
x4 LC

General strategy for both is to combat squad the Tacs, moving the four new squads around. Sarge has the beacon so he'll head to the armor or biggest thing I can find and call in the terms. Stern sit on home objective if there is one but otherwise take a supporting role.

Yet another list..
Vulkan

x10 Tac: 185
MM
Flamer
Beacon

x10 Tac: 185
MM
Flamer
Beacon

And that's the ball game. Stuck. Should I go with a thunderfire? Big weakness is armor at range. Or, well, anything at range. Beyond 24" I can't touch. I'll work on a list with Belial at the head while I catch up on Spartacus.

Rico..

I hate to be "that guy", but you really need some transports. :(

wtwlf123 wrote:I hate to be "that guy", but you really need some transports. :(

Not a problem. I hate to be "that guy" and tell you to reread my original post that says I'm not buying anything more, be it vehicles or otherwise, and that this would be a footslogging list, but I stated that multiple times.

I'm looking for ways to make the best damn list with the models I have. If it means I get bent over every game, fine. Cool. Whatever. I like modeling more than anything else this hobby has to begin with, and I'm of the mind that revels in the number of people taken down with me such that a loss means little after the handshake.

Moving on, for reiterating purposes, this is a footslogging list. I'd love to slap three or four Razorbacks and a Landraider into the list. But I can't. So they will walk across no man's land.

Rico.

Would missile launchers be a better choice for the Pedro list? I might be able to squeeze in an extra term if I have missile launchers on the tacs and Stern. It'll be harder to kill tanks but I figure I'd be better able to deal with hordes..

Also, here's a Belial list. And a Calgar list. What are everyone's thoughts on these various commanders/lists? I can swing all of them, it really comes down to people's experiences with the commanders and what may be wrong with the list.. Two Pedro lists are above ^

Belial
-130

x5 Term
AssCan
Varied CC weps
Narth
-275

x5 Term
Cyclone
-235

x10 Tac
Flamer
ML
-180

x10 Tac
Flamer
ML
-180
------------
Calgar
Antilochus
-265

x10 Tac
Flamer
ML
-170

x10 Tac
Flamer
ML
-170

x5 Scout
HB
SR (Sarge)
-85

x5 Scout
HB
SR (Sarge)
-85

x5 Scout
ML
SR (Sarge)
-85

x5 Scout
ML
SR (Sarge)
-85

I have 55 points left over. Thinking about spending them on Telion..

I don't like it but the only list that effectively sound at least logic for a footslogging marines wave is the last one.

If you want to make sloggers you'll need numbers.

Have you considred Shrike as HQ? he will give Fleet to everybody and you'll love to run in a footslogging army.

HQ - Shrike. 195
EL - 5x Assault Terminators - 2x LC/LC - 3x TH/SS. 200
TR - 10x Scouts - Serg. w/combi-melta - 9x Bolters. 150
TR - 10x Scouts - Serg. w/combi-melta - 9x Bolters. 150
TR - 10x Scouts - Serg. w/combi-melta - 9x Bolters. 150
TR - 10x Scouts - Serg. w/combi-melta + Meltabombs - 9x Bolters. 155
Tot. 1000

Everything will infiltrate, Terminators included if joined by Shrike.

Another idea could be use the GK codex:

HQ - Coteaz. 100
HQ - Librarian - Sanctuary - The Shrouding. 160
TR - 5x Strikers - Psycannon - MC Hammer. 125
TR - 5x Strikers - Psycannon - Hammer. 120
TR - 5x Strikers - Psycannon - Hammer. 120
TR - 8x Psykers - 3x Crusaders. 125
TR - 8x Psykers - 3x Crusaders. 125
TR - 8x Psykers - 3x Crusaders. 125
Tot. 1000

Isn't easy to build hordes lists at 1000 points you know?

the shrike scout list looks the best for footslogging if thats the way you want to go