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Hello there everyone again!
I am playing with a friend of mine who is running a warrior of chaos army. He usually uses a chosen group and the champion is equipped with an item that gives +/- 1 to the Eye of the gods roll. He also is using one or two warshrines depending on points and game for the eye of the gods rolls on every shooting phase.
Question one is if he can use the Eye of the gods roll on shooting phase from the warshrines even if he is in close combat.
Question two is that he is saying to me that when he gets a multiple effect on eye of the gods using also his champion's item he can reroll as many times as he wants. Meaning what... He is rolling for example in the beggining with his chosen +1 toughness. From now on he is rolling for the warshrines on every shooting phase again to get eye of the gods again. Tho if he gets eye is closed or 1 number up or down of this result rerolls due to the champion's item. If he gets something like this again he rerolls as many times as he can until he gets smth he doesnt have as a result or until he gets the 4+ ward save on 12.
The whole matter is that I read in BRB is that you can reroll a dice or two only once! For the same reason when im playing on my Dark elves my assassin with ASF and eternal hatred could re roll twice the missed to hit (hatred and asf with high initiative) tho something like this is prohibited. So, can he reroll as many times he wants in the same turn/roll of the eye of the gods table?
If my wording is wrong let me know to re phrase anything.

Thanks a lot for your time

Theofilos wrote:
Question one is if he can use the Eye of the gods roll on shooting phase from the warshrines even if he is in close combat. Yes.

Question two is that he is saying to me that when he gets a multiple effect on eye of the gods using also his champion's item he can reroll as many times as he wants. Meaning what... He is rolling for example in the beggining with his chosen +1 toughness. The unit cannot use magic items from characters.

The whole matter is that I read in BRB is that you can reroll a dice or two only once! The Warriors FAQ says they can.

Summed it up.

The book clearly states until a different result is obtained and if the chosen are set up properly he will re roll 7 out of the 11 results until he either gets the ward save, the +1 attack or the +1str.

That being said with 2 shrines those chosen are tanks.

Ya sort of sucks when chosen do that also side note I take it those chosen did an insane amount of damage.

Boymac it is a unit's champion's item not a character's item.

Thank you both for the answers Pretty helpfull and accurate as well mates!

Yes the unit champ of the chosen can take stuff.

it might be important to note that re-reroll 2 and 7 result only applies for their initial gift generation and this rule does not apply to the shrines.

also if he were to stick a model with fear in the unit say a character with the 10 point shrieking sword, you can re-roll until you get 4-5 or 11-12 on the dice with chosen for their initial gift. giving you a 3 in 10 chance of getting the 4+ ward save.

personally i use the favour of the gods on a character with the shrieking sword so that way i can move that bonus to a second unit after i get the 4+ ward save. and the bonus re-roll on 9-10 results.

Give the unit the Wailing Banner, the Champion gets Favour of the Gods; initial go they re-roll 2, 7, 10, 11 and can obtain 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 12.

Then they get Warshrine A, and re-roll 10, 11, one random other (one they just got from their rule), and they can shift a result onto the random other, 10 or 11 to re-roll it, off a 7, or off 11 to 12.

Warshrine B then gifts them, and they re-roll 10, 11 and two random others (the two they already have), and can also use Favour to shift to a 7 result, or an undesired result onto one they already have for a re-roll etc. etc.

Having stupidity shouldn't be so bad, as it makes them Immune to Psychology, and a result of 9, a general, and/or a BSB around should make it easy to pass the checks.

If they got multiple times the gift then they can reroll not sure tho if having from the very beggining terror means that if you roll a terror gift gives you a reroll

10 and 11 specifically state that if the unit already causes Fear or Terror (10) or Terror (11) then the dice are re-rolled.

Anyone else hate how this works?

I play Tzeetch daemons and I love most things Tzeentchy, but nearly automatic 3+ ward save chosen are totally unfair. I really wish they had not allowed so many re-rolls, since in the BRB it states you cannot re-roll a re-roll (unless you play WoC)

I know I sound bitter, but double warshrine Tz chosen is boring and OP . . . however the models are cool looking.

Meh, cannon shrine mess up chosen.
Altho without that combo i'm not sure they're worth it over warriors.

+3 points for +1 WS and a roll on eye of the gods is decent.

I faced a triple chosen list before (3x15 chosen), which also was packing 2 shrines, and 2 huge units of marauders +sorcerer lord and bsb.
Chosen were damn effective, and the shrines were tossing upgrades onto units to give the edge in combat, rather than just death staring a single block.

The problem with super chosen is often they are not point effective. They so over-kill the enemy, you'd be better off with multiple units.

-Matt

Well lets see here tz chosen with halberds wailing banner, fc and favor of the gods is the idea set up imo.

Lets see before the game you re roll. 2s, 3s, 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s and 10s. Since 11 and 12 are the desirable result.

So the plan is get ward save since with tz they have a 3+ ward str 5 and 2 attacks each.

After that its up to you what you want the extra str the extra attack the extra armor or the extra toughness.

Either way a big block of those run across the board and kill everything.

I don't think Chosen are good because they're efficient; I think they're good because they're so tough that you'll never get the points for them. 3+ Ward is sick, but coupled with across-the-board good stats to resist the Big Spells...they have no real weakness to exploit; every method for attacking them is sub-par.

Glad to see that they only re-roll on their own personal Eye of the Gods gift. Never really thought of it before.

As a side note, I think the extra attack is probably your best bet; a higher kill-increase than +1 S usually is, and that means they'll be able to zip around the board even faster.

Then again, if you want Dwellers to suck even more against them, +1 S would do well.

Well seeing as you would have 3 rolls.
1 ward save.
2 Extra attack.
3 Extra toughness or str. I would say toughness since they are str 5 without it assuming they have halberds.

Eh, I think that T4 with a 4+/3+ is pretty damn survivable as-is, so I'd probably go for a faster Victory Point gain-rate. But it depends on what I'm facing. Versus elves, the +1S will almost always be worthless.

Sorry for a little bit of threadomancy, but I have a few related questions and thought it would be better to continue a thread from a week and a half ago rather than start a new one.

1: Does the Favor need to go on the Champion? What if it's put on a character that joins the unit?

2: What if just the Champion causes Terror? IE, Golden Mask of Eee!

I ask because the "standard" build of the WAAC WoC player in our area is something akin to Horded Chosen with the Mask on a Champion, Banner of Rage, and several joined characters, one of which has the Favor. He does the same reroll shenanigans (not that I blame him), but I have to wonder if it quite works the same way.

In either case the unit causes terror, so you get the reroll.

For the pre game roll the chosen champ has to have the favor or else the pre game roll is useless since that roll is just for the chosen and does not do anything to characters.
The shrine blessings also give it to anyonein the unit.

So if they use the favor in the pre game roll and the favor is on a exalted hero or lord then that is cheating as far as I understand.