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Ok, this doesn't look bad (a bit cheesy maybe, but not bad) and it passes the first test of a good George Lucas film i.e. Is it directed by George Lucas? No.
,,The aerial combat looks very good. The moral message might be laid on a bit thick and I've already seen 'Glory'. "
Indeed.
It would be interesting to see if they are superheros in that movie with few losses despite fighting even vastly superior plane like the ME-262 or if it is realistic.
1: A rather dapper Cuba Gooding Jnr smoking a pipe (after seeing him breakdance on a chat show last year I could never, ever realistically believe him to enjoy a pipe)
2: A P51d mustang able to keep up with a Me262. No chance, no how. Yes the mustang was better in a dogfight due to maouverability, but they had no chance of keeping up with the Me262.
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It would depend on the relative speeds of the two planes. The Me262 was very fast at top speed but its acceleration at lower speeds was poor. If the jet had slowed right down to attack the bombers then it might be possible for the Mustang to overhaul it for a short distance. Most Me262s were lost when taking off or landing.
Tuskegee Airmen were as bad ass as they got in the air but I wonder how they'll tackle the issue of whether or not no bomber was really lost under their protection.
Also good to see Cuba Gooding Jr. survive Pearl Harbor, Navy diving school, and the air over Europe all in the 1940's.
However GL's focus on blacks is interesting to me because it reminds me of when NBA basketball champion John Salley talked to GL about Star Wars. Salley's a black guy that loved Star Wars but asked why there was seemingly only one black guy in the universe in Lando. Fast forward several years later and now GL's making a movie about the Tuskegee Airmen. /tinfoil hat
As long as the reviews are decent I'll probably be checking this out in the theaters. There can never be enough WW2 aviation films for me even though the Tuskegee Airmen was covered well by a HBO TV movie IIRC.
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Kilkrazy wrote:It would depend on the relative speeds of the two planes. The Me262 was very fast at top speed but its acceleration at lower speeds was poor. If the jet had slowed right down to attack the bombers then it might be possible for the Mustang to overhaul it for a short distance. Most Me262s were lost when taking off or landing.
And checking the records three pilots of the 100th Fighter Squadron did in fact shoot down 3 ME-262's on 24 March 1945 while escorting bombers on a mission to Berlin....
The next victories came on March 24. Forty-three of the 332d Fighter Group’s P-
51s escorted B-17s on a raid against the Daimler-Benz tank factory in Berlin. A total of
25 enemy airplanes rose up to challenge the bombers. Among them were FW-190s, jet
ME-262s, and rocket-propelled ME-163s. While both of the latter two aircraft types
could fly at least 100 miles per hour faster than the P-51 Mustangs, they could not turn as
quickly. Rapid fuel consumption also restricted the time jets and rockets could engage in
aerial combat. Short of fuel, the Germans limited use of the new airplanes, and
experienced pilots were rare. Three of the 100th Fighter Squadron pilots each shot down
one of the ME-262s, the first time members of the 332d Fighter Group destroyed any jets.
The day was not unmitigated triumph for the Americans, however. One of the jets shot
the right wing off a P-51, and its pilot went down.
And they did sink a German destroyer but not with P-51s. They were flying P-47s at the time of the sinking.
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Looks good. Yes, the moral of the story is laid on a bit thick, but so was the racism at the time, and the legacy is still with us.
Edit: BTW, nice sig, Flashman!
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Oh forgive him for not having access to dozens of B-17s, P-51s, ME-262s, BF/FW-109s, etc. Its not like there are more than a handful of any of those planes still in flying condition and the production lines haven't been dead for over half a century or anything like that...
Would you prefer he use obviously stock footage? Maybe he just shouldn't make the film at all...
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2011/07/31 06:38:13
Subject: Re:Red Tails - George Lucas Strikes Back?
chaos0xomega wrote:Would you prefer he use obviously stock footage? Maybe he just shouldn't make the film at all...
For some people that may be what they want.
I for one welcome any chance to see more of the ME-262.
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Subject: Re:Red Tails - George Lucas Strikes Back?
Oh forgive him for not having access to dozens of B-17s, P-51s, ME-262s, BF/FW-109s, etc. Its not like there are more than a handful of any of those planes still in flying condition and the production lines haven't been dead for over half a century or anything like that...
Would you prefer he use obviously stock footage? Maybe he just shouldn't make the film at all...
Yes, I'm not the biggest fan of CGI either, but even I accept that this is pretty much the only way to make a film of this nature. Plus, from what I can see, the dogfights look pretty impressive.
Kilkrazy wrote:The Battle Of Britain (1969) was able to use Spanish air force planes which were late models of the He-111 and Me-109, but that was 42 years ago and planes like that aren't to common these days
Fixed it for you
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A trip to the movies is almost $18US here in Oz, so I will skip the cinema and watch it on my projector at home.
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Mannahnin wrote:Looks good. Yes, the moral of the story is laid on a bit thick, but so was the racism at the time, and the legacy is still with us.
Edit: BTW, nice sig, Flashman!
Yep, it would be fairly difficult to make a movie about the Tuskegee airmen without discussing the moral component, considering you have to somehow explain why all these fighter pilots happen to be black.
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