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Winged Kroot Vulture





Seattle, WA

Here's my question.

So. The Tau FAQ states under Amendments:

Various – Target Priority
Ignore all references to Target Priority and Target
Priority test

Would this mean that the C&C Node, would grant a Crisis Suit Commander that is carrying the node, a 12" LD bubble?

C&C Node reads:
"All Friendly units with a model within 12" may use the bearer's leadership for the purposes of target priority tests"

If we ignore the struck out text, in accordance with how the FAQ appears to read, the C&C node is instantly a viable piece of wargear again. Am I doing this right?

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Tilter at Windmills






Manchester, NH

No, I don't think so. The wargear only grants a bonus in a specific circumstance. Now that circumstance has been removed, so that LD bubble, which was only usable in a specific circumstance, is now usable in no circumstances.

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Seattle, WA

Right.. but the FAQ tells you to ignore reference to that specific circumstance, which makes the wargear usable in a general circumstance?

I think I will have to submit this to GW for further clarification (I don't expect to get it) as it appears it could swing either way.

   
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Manchester, NH

I could see it being somewhat ambiguous, but I have a hard time buying into the idea that a formerly specialized (and no doubt inexpensive) piece of wargear is intended to suddenly become incredibly useful and broadly-applicable.

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Seattle, WA

fwiw, my local 'ard boyz TO runs a Tau list built around this. It's where I got the idea.

For all the things in the Tau book that are overpriced... I don't think this is game breaking. But it does make Firewarriors semi-viable again..

   
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Manchester, NH

I wish you guys did get something like this.

I just don't think this interpretation is correct.

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Florence, KY

The entire rule for the C&C Node references Target Priority, not just the part you marked out. Therefore the FAQ in essence makes the C&C Node a useless piece of gear.

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Burtucky, Michigan

Id say go for it and use it that way. Of course my main reasoning for it is because due to 5th edition and whatnot, you guys got hoed something fierce one gear. But like most things, if your in a tourny, ask your TO about it, and if its a shop/regular game then same deal
   
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Cottonjaw wrote:
Ignore all references to Target Priority and Target Priority test

C&C Node reads:
"All Friendly units with a model within 12" may use the bearer's leadership for the purposes of target priority tests"


No. The whole clause would be struck. You can't just pick and choose which words. If you literally followed your interpretation you'd actually get:

"All Friendly units with a model within 12" may use the bearer's leadership for the purposes of target priority tests"
A rule that does nothing. You addtionally deleted the "for the purposes of" section to make it say what you want.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Cottonjaw wrote:fwiw, my local 'ard boyz TO runs a Tau list built around this. It's where I got the idea.

I suggest you get a better TO.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/07/31 11:46:11


 
   
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Seattle, WA

Scott-S6 wrote:
Cottonjaw wrote:
Ignore all references to Target Priority and Target Priority test

C&C Node reads:
"All Friendly units with a model within 12" may use the bearer's leadership for the purposes of target priority tests"


No. The whole clause would be struck. You can't just pick and choose which words. If you literally followed your interpretation you'd actually get:

"All Friendly units with a model within 12" may use the bearer's leadership for the purposes of target priority tests"
A rule that does nothing. You addtionally deleted the "for the purposes of" section to make it say what you want.




Automatically Appended Next Post:
Cottonjaw wrote:fwiw, my local 'ard boyz TO runs a Tau list built around this. It's where I got the idea.

I suggest you get a better TO.


Achievement Unlocked: Hostile Response to an already resolved rules question!

   
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Cottonjaw wrote:Achievement Unlocked: Hostile Response to an already resolved rules question!

Nothing hostile about it. Just pointing out
a) why the whole concept behind the argument was erroneous &
b) that a TO who makes calls that bad (and then plays an army built around that bad call) is likely an extremely poor TO.

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