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I am going to be taking my Vampire Counts to a 3000pt tournament and I am wondering what are the nasty tricks that I need to look out for when fighting armies that are allowed 4 of the same rare unit. I normally run a deathstar grave guard unit with ghouls for support, a black coach, varghulf x 2, a lvl 4 caster vamp in a skelly bunker and 3 necros with various magic items.


Thanks in advance.

4 hydras can be a pain in the neck in that point level.

Also, a daemon player could possibly fit in 21 flamers in their list. Bad news for the everyone if that happens.

The only other possibly crazy thing someone could do is max out on salamanders, but I dont thing your list would have too much trouble with that.

A common WoC trick is a big unit of Chosen with MoT, wailing banner (terror) and champion with favour of the gods. This will very likely give them a 3+ ward save. Not a rare choice perhaps, but they are also likely to be supported by warshrines, which are rare, to get even more bonuses.

You don't need a Grand Army to run a Chosenstar, points are the only issue. At 3000pts you mostly should be worried about armies which have plenty of good special/rare choices. You can see lists with 6 Cannons and 6 Mortars, or 4 Warp Lightning Cannons and 4 Plagueclaws which tend to be more of a concern than other lists which are just 2500pt lists with some extra stuff.

The main thing i dont like at 3k is Empire war machine spam so many cannons mortars etc.

HPA spam also very sad.
Hydra spam.

I like 2999 just for the sake of no grand army cheese spam but still enough points to have fun.

When are you running it?
If the rumors are true that you can take wraiths as characters (60 points) or banshees (75-85 points), I'd take 4-6 of those heroes.
A single wraith will stop a hydra for the whole game.
A banshee will stop, and likely kill a hydra.

I've had more luck with, and more trouble against multiple corpse carts than a coach. -2 or -3 to cast really adds up.

-Matt

In grand armys cannons are even scarier as there are just more of them. Also the idea of four Stanks makes me smile.

Ralin Givens wrote:In grand armys cannons are even scarier as there are just more of them. Also the idea of four Stanks makes me smile.

Yeah, I'm thinking banshee spamming is a better and better idea. Nothing makes me smile like tying up a steam tank with an ~80 point ethereal hero.

-Matt

Hahha
Junior Engineer "Sir why are we not moving towards the battle?"

Tank Captain "This tank is haunted son..."

Junior Engineer "By who sir?"

Tank Captain "My ex mistress....I kind of hit her with 3d6 impact hits last Tuesday..."

Junior Engineer "Oh sir...."

HawaiiMatt wrote:When are you running it?
If the rumors are true that you can take wraiths as characters (60 points) or banshees (75-85 points), I'd take 4-6 of those heroes.
A single wraith will stop a hydra for the whole game.
A banshee will stop, and likely kill a hydra.

I've had more luck with, and more trouble against multiple corpse carts than a coach. -2 or -3 to cast really adds up.

-Matt

Doesn't the White Dwarf entry say that you can only have 0-1 of these per army? Or am I reading this wrong?

white dwarf with rules??? what are you thinking.

the BRB says by % over rides all of the 0-1 limitations and most of those are faqed.

Apologies, i'm out of the loop and need to get the 8th BRB. What is the difference in a Grand Army?

FearPeteySodes wrote:Apologies, i'm out of the loop and need to get the 8th BRB. What is the difference in a Grand Army?

You're allowed to have more multiples of Special and Rare choices at games of 3k points or more.

Ah, that sounds tricksy...

Bear in mind that High Elves can have up to 12 of each Special choice and 8 of each Rare choice in a Grand Arrmy.

Avatar 720 wrote:Bear in mind that High Elves can have up to 12 of each Special choice and 8 of each Rare choice in a Grand Arrmy.

yea but its not likely they will run that many of anything

unless they decide to run 8 bolt throwers

Seeing a ton of white lions would be ind of scary.


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Same goes for sword masters.

zeekill wrote:

Avatar 720 wrote:Bear in mind that High Elves can have up to 12 of each Special choice and 8 of each Rare choice in a Grand Arrmy.

yea but its not likely they will run that many of anything

unless they decide to run 8 bolt throwers

I'd bet on 8 eagles before anything else gets maxed out.
Eagles are awesome for the cost.

-Matt