Another GK Question

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**RogalDorn69**

I was reading the equipment available to the GK's and its says the justicar can make his wepons master crafted...
Does this mean i can make his Storm bolter MC as well as ccw

Or is it only CCw's

**Hellstorm**

He can master-craft any weapon he has.

**RogalDorn69**

Is it possible to master craft grenades?

**Deadshot**

dont think so because their not weapons,kraks maybe.

no.best to say solid no and not get into an arguement

**DeathReaper**

Any weapon he has he can master craft, this includes grenades and melta bombs (though it is usually a waste of points to do so.)

**RogalDorn69**

Thanks for info guys, funny having MC grenades

**TheAvengingKnee**

The only problem I can foresee with this is that since they are not in your weapons section in the GK codex or the BGB someone may attempt to make the case that they are not in fact weapons and then would not be able to become master crafted.

**Deadshot**

my thoughts exactly.not that thast anyone would pay for frag or psykout because they dont roll to hit.

**RogalDorn69**

Still, those little 5 points that are left over after making a list can be spent on making greanades Mc for lolz

**Deadshot**

i gave telion a camo cloakto bring it up to 1500pts,even though he had stealth already

**erikwfg**

Deadshot wrote:dont think so because their not weapons,kraks maybe.

:O I don't know if grenades can be master crafted, because I don't know if they are weapons. I can't think of a situation right now where this may be worth doing, but it's always good to have additional options. Vs dreadnoughts this could make meltabombs go from "i'd rather die hopelessly and not waste the points instead of relying on hitting" to "sounds like a good backup". I'm in denial, I need to know.

Deadshot wrote:my thoughts exactly.not that thast anyone would pay for frag or psykout because they dont roll to hit.

I bet someone somewhere will argue that because the effect of frag grenades are represented by the results of the ensuing close combat, they should therefore give a reroll on any melee attack roll. Then if they roll a 4+ on their d6, they are right and the game goes on...

Deadshot wrote: i gave telion a camo cloakto bring it up to 1500pts,even though he had stealth already

Was this because of me? I forget who posts in what topics sometimes.

**Kitzz**

Master-craft his spehss guns. Orbital bombardment is fun to spend 5 extra points on.

**erikwfg**

Kitzz wrote:Master-craft his spehss guns. Orbital bombardment is fun to spend 5 extra points on.

Omg it would be so unfair to even think about.

**Raythor**

Kitzz wrote:Master-craft his spehss guns. Orbital bombardment is fun to spend 5 extra points on.

Is that... possible?

**DeathReaper**

I am not sure what "spehss guns" are, but if the Orbital bombardment is listed as a weapon then he can master craft it.

**Raythor**

Well, it's wargear. It's a shooting attack... so yes?

**Lordhat**

Raythor wrote:Well, it's wargear. It's a shooting attack... so yes?

no.

**Raythor**

So, why not? I want to have ammunition if someone tries to pull this on me.

**Lordhat**

Sorry, was just answering by the seat of my pants. After further examination, the orbital strike relay may be master crafted; it's rules tell you to treat it as a ranged weapon, and it has a full profile. It will probably be FAQ'd after a few tourney players use this at GT's and such. (IIRC the last codex had an faq on the exact same situation and the it was FAQ'd no.)

**Raythor**

Ahh, I see. Thanks for the more fleshed out answer

As ridiculous as it seems, I agree with you. Just gotta wait for the FAQ now...

**erikwfg**

DeathReaper wrote:I am not sure what "spehss guns" are, but if the Orbital bombardment is listed as a weapon then he can master craft it.

I think it's more commonly said as "spess", and originates in DoW: Soulstorm. The "Spess" Marine captain had a funny accent, at least to those who don't sound like that.

I'm unsure if the ob can really be mc, even though it says to treat it as a weapon. Don't some psychic attacks say "treat it as a ranged weapon with the following profile"? It's hopefully more obvious that psychic is not possible to mc, even if the codex may not list any option for librarians to do so. So I'd think that shows treating ob as a weapon because of the same wording is wrong.

Not that i'm sure about anything anymore.

**Deadshot**

if it is listed in wargear and has a strength value it is a weapon,grenades dont have a strength,their given a set armour pen. value,like 2D6+8,or 4+D6.btw melta bombs dont have the melta rule and are not ap 1

**Marthike**

Orbital bombardment should be able to be MC because it is a weapon.

Its not that difficult to understand. its not unrealistic for it to be MC

I say yes because what is there to stop it, its a weapon so go for it, mc it all you like.

**Deadshot**

grey knights have strike relay not orbital bomb.,in all space marine codexes orb. bomb. is under special rules but am not sure about relay.if it is under wargear and has a weapons profile then it may be MC

**TheAvengingKnee**

Deadshot wrote:if it is listed in wargear and has a strength value it is a weapon,grenades dont have a strength,their given a set armour pen. value,like 2D6+8,or 4+D6.btw melta bombs dont have the melta rule and are not ap 1

Its not listed as a weapon its listed in a different section of the war gear, and his rules allow him to MC a weapon.

**Melchiour**

Misread post, my apologies to TheAvengingKnee

**Deadshot**

is it under wargear on the GK army list

like does it say

Wargear
Nem.Force Sword
stormbolter
Termy armour
Orbital strike relay

Or does it say

Special rules
Psyker,m lvl 2
and thety know no fear
combat squads
orb. relay

**TheAvengingKnee**

I was referring to grenades on 60 they are listed under a heading of grenades.

**Melchiour**

You are correct sir, my apologies, post has been fixed.

**TheAvengingKnee**

I believe it was also partially my fault I should have been more specific to which point of the topic I was referring.