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Ok, so we got the two strongest HQ's of each army, pitted against each other in a one on one to the death fight. No backup.
This is a fluff battle, not an in game one. From what I've heard of these guys they're pretty powerful, so it should be a good fight.

My take is that calgar pumps some rounds into thraka but it doesn't do much. Thraka responds with fire of his own, and calgar is wounded. Then its calgar's power fist vs Thraka's power claw... and its all over for the ultramarine hero...

Take into account I play orks so I may be slightly biased...

if calgar get the charge then its pretty close with mathammer.

if ghaz gets the charge on his waaagh then its falls pretty heavily in ghaz taking the title

playing IC 1 on 1's at my flgs i can say ghazzy usually gets the win against anything that he can touch. the one dark eldar on a skimmer board can beat him though by just flying out of ghazzy's reach

G00fySmiley wrote:if calgar get the charge then its pretty close with mathammer.

if ghaz gets the charge on his waaagh then its falls pretty heavily in ghaz taking the title

playing IC 1 on 1's at my flgs i can say ghazzy usually gets the win against anything that he can touch. the one dark eldar on a skimmer board can beat him though by just flying out of ghazzy's reach

Imagine727 wrote:
This is a fluff battle, not an in game one.

precisely, thank you nerivant

I'm pretty sure that Ghaz isn't going to wound Calgar with shooting.

I'm quite sure that Ghazghkull would win.

who is physically superior?
who is more durable?
this is what I think is going to win this battle

on another note.... who do you think has the coolest profile pic on this thread? (mememememememememememememememe)

Imagine727 wrote:who is physically superior?
who is more durable?
this is what I think is going to win this battle

on another note.... who do you think has the coolest profile pic on this thread? (mememememememememememememememe)

Nerivant, because as much as I dislike Tau I have to admit it's a cool picture.

come on! I got a waaagh embracing orangutan!

Hey, hey... guys... My profile picture is by far superior than yours!

Anyway, OT -

Imagine727 wrote: who is physically superior?

A Nob is stronger than a regular Space Marine, right? If so, Calgar shouldn't be THAT much stronger. And a regular Warboss is stronger than a Nob. And Ghazghkull has reached an even higher status, size and strength than a Warboss. Sooo yeah... I have to say Ghazghkull.

Imagine727 wrote: who is more durable?

That's a tough one. But with durable I suppose you mean tougher and who can take more beating, right? Anyway I would have to say Ghazghkull here again.

Marneus Calgar Falcon punched an Avatar of Khaine most likely a lot stronger than an average marine.

Nicholas wrote:Marneus Calgar Falcon punched an Avatar of Khaine most likely a lot stronger than an average marine.

True, but most of that power comes from his power fist while Ghazghkull got amazing strength without his klaw!

Imagine727 wrote:who is physically superior?
who is more durable?
this is what I think is going to win this battle

on another note.... who do you think has the coolest profile pic on this thread? (mememememememememememememememe)

physically superior ghaz definatly, he's HUGE
ghaz is definatly more durable game wise this 2++ but he's also again frickin HUGE

profile pic depends, i liked the baby waaagh better than your new one ... but side note as well does anybody even know what my picture is ?

I don't have a clue....


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who else wants a waaagh baby to return?

unless Calgar gets a lucky shot, which is unlikely seeing as Ghaz has a head made of admantium, its always gunna be ghaz
ghaz is like 6th edition WHFB Grimgor, pure tank

Well, Ghazghkull would probably win. But as for Calgar not being much stronger than a normal Space Marine.. all his limbs are prosthetic, which in 40k terms generally means stronger than a Marine, especially since he's certainly been augmented with the best available.

It'd be a close fight, I think, with four centuries of hardened battle experience backed up by dark science and half-forgotten technology versus crude weapons and sheer, unimaginable brutality.

Thing is though, if we say they are both of roughly equal skill in melee, Calgar has an advantage in that his weaponry is far superior and that Ghazghkull only has one melee weapon, whereas Calgar has two that are more-or-less indestructable in terms of land-based weapons that include two in-built guns.

I think Calgar would just scrape a victory, but he would be gravely wounded (ie: almost death).

Edit:

Also, Calgar is a lot faster than Ghazghkull and also has a Powersword, thus granting a further advantage for the boy in blue.

The problem is that Calgar is still just a human. Sure, he's been tailored to be the perfect warrior and he is indeed very skilled but an Ork who manages to survive a couple of battles becomes far more skilled in close combat than a Space Marine, especially a Warboss and especially something like Ghazghkull. He's above the title Warboss and Warlord due to his size, he's the "next step" in the Ork build.

I may be biased but speed is not really going to matter with ghaz. Calgar won't really have a chance of getting through that thick power armor to Ghazzy's flesh, and orks have an extremely tough hide. Ghaz would take a beating, but eventually he would crush calgar like a blue tin can.

Imagine727 wrote:I may be biased but speed is not really going to matter with ghaz. Calgar won't really have a chance of getting through that thick power armor to Ghazzy's flesh, and orks have an extremely tough hide. Ghaz would take a beating, but eventually he would crush calgar like a blue tin can.

Indeed. I can imagine that Calgar would impale Ghaz with his sword but Ghaz, with his size and his Orkiness would probably just grab Calgar and give him a proper beating. The only way I can see someone beat Ghaz in close combat would be a cheap shot with a power fist.

Muppas wrote:

Imagine727 wrote:I may be biased but speed is not really going to matter with ghaz. Calgar won't really have a chance of getting through that thick power armor to Ghazzy's flesh, and orks have an extremely tough hide. Ghaz would take a beating, but eventually he would crush calgar like a blue tin can.

Indeed. I can imagine that Calgar would impale Ghaz with his sword but Ghaz, with his size and his Orkiness would probably just grab Calgar and give him a proper beating. The only way I can see someone beat Ghaz in close combat would be a cheap shot with a power fist.

Calgar could just grab Ghazghkull's Klaw before it even moves, hold it there and crush it/rip it off, then beat Ghazzy senseless with it.

where's melissia when you need input i think there was somethign posted by him/her about the rough size of ghaz (that person knows more abotu fluff than i ever will)

That said I agree Calgar is abosolutely likely one of if not the strongest warriors the space marines and humanity in general have ever seen. the onmly reason i give ghaz to be bigger and stronger is that orks get bigger with each victory. warlords are massive dwarfing space marines and anything else. so a warlord would be even larger and seeing how big a following ghaz has amassed dude has got to be the size of a deff dred

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Muppas wrote:

Imagine727 wrote:I may be biased but speed is not really going to matter with ghaz. Calgar won't really have a chance of getting through that thick power armor to Ghazzy's flesh, and orks have an extremely tough hide. Ghaz would take a beating, but eventually he would crush calgar like a blue tin can.

Indeed. I can imagine that Calgar would impale Ghaz with his sword but Ghaz, with his size and his Orkiness would probably just grab Calgar and give him a proper beating. The only way I can see someone beat Ghaz in close combat would be a cheap shot with a power fist.

Calgar could just grab Ghazghkull's Klaw before it even moves, hold it there and crush it/rip it off, then beat Ghazzy senseless with it.

Yeah... no.

Wait a minute. How can Calgar use his sword, without having to remove his power fists?

Muppas wrote:The problem is that Calgar is still just a human. Sure, he's been tailored to be the perfect warrior and he is indeed very skilled but an Ork who manages to survive a couple of battles becomes far more skilled in close combat than a Space Marine, especially a Warboss and especially something like Ghazghkull. He's above the title Warboss and Warlord due to his size, he's the "next step" in the Ork build.

Space Marines are not still human, they are genetically modified beyond the point of humanity. They also live for battle just like Orks and it is the only thing that occupies their time just like Orks. An ork who survives a few battles would not outclass a Marine who also has survived that many battles. The difference comes in because as the Ork battles physically gets bigger and stronger. The marine would have no less skill than the ork, but will eventually be beaten in strength. By the time the Boy becomes a Nob it is on par strength wise with a normal Marine and as both their lives will revolve around combat will be almost equal in skill. After a Nob survives a good number of battles it will then be bigger than the marine, but still have almost equal skill. I don't know how old Ghazz is compared to Calgar, but I'd put them on par skill wise I guess, and Ghazz is definitely stronger. Calgar however has better tech and is faster. So in all summary flip a coin because it like almost all these vs threads it will come down to luck.

I think nicholas just summed it up

Calgar's wearing Terminator Armour. What with how powerful that thing is in fluff, I'd say that the outcome of the battle is pretty certain:









They'll kill each other, resulting in much cheering in the Black Templars crowd watching the fight.

Muppas wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Muppas wrote:

Imagine727 wrote:I may be biased but speed is not really going to matter with ghaz. Calgar won't really have a chance of getting through that thick power armor to Ghazzy's flesh, and orks have an extremely tough hide. Ghaz would take a beating, but eventually he would crush calgar like a blue tin can.

Indeed. I can imagine that Calgar would impale Ghaz with his sword but Ghaz, with his size and his Orkiness would probably just grab Calgar and give him a proper beating. The only way I can see someone beat Ghaz in close combat would be a cheap shot with a power fist.

Calgar could just grab Ghazghkull's Klaw before it even moves, hold it there and crush it/rip it off, then beat Ghazzy senseless with it.

Yeah... no.

It's possible, just as it's possible Ghazz gets his claw around calgars head and squishes it. As I said it's pure speculation

Nicholas wrote:

Muppas wrote:The problem is that Calgar is still just a human. Sure, he's been tailored to be the perfect warrior and he is indeed very skilled but an Ork who manages to survive a couple of battles becomes far more skilled in close combat than a Space Marine, especially a Warboss and especially something like Ghazghkull. He's above the title Warboss and Warlord due to his size, he's the "next step" in the Ork build.

Space Marines are not still human, they are genetically modified beyond the point of humanity. They also live for battle just like Orks and it is the only thing that occupies their time just like Orks. An ork who survives a few battles would not outclass a Marine who also has survived that many battles. The difference comes in because as the Ork battles physically gets bigger and stronger. The marine would have no less skill than the ork, but will eventually be beaten in strength. By the time the Boy becomes a Nob it is on par strength wise with a normal Marine and as both their lives will revolve around combat will be almost equal in skill. After a Nob survives a good number of battles it will then be bigger than the marine, but still have almost equal skill. I don't know how old Ghazz is compared to Calgar, but I'd put them on par skill wise I guess, and Ghazz is definitely stronger. Calgar however has better tech and is faster. So in all summary flip a coin because it like almost all these vs threads it will come down to luck.

that's why i prefer on the table comparisons, fluff wise each codex and book has different fluff attached to it it oftem boils down to which one you've read the most about or which one you prefer. I have honestly read more abotu orks than marines but i play both marines and orks and ggiven the fluff differences I think ghaz has it but again i've read more space marines stuff... now on the table it comes down to the 2++ on the waagh to edge it in for ghaz if ghazz doens't get the charge... btu those +2a on the charge are going to make an assault by ghazz on a turn with 2++ be a win unless the dice gods are very angry

TrollPie wrote:Wait a minute. How can Calgar use his sword, without having to remove his power fists?

His sword is massive. Honestly, it's like relic blade size. But in game it's just a really big power sword made to fit his PF's.

his swords that big? sounds like my....
nevermind......