Revised Legion of The Damned

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**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Damned Sergeant

WS: 5 BS: 4 S: 4 T: 4 W: 1(2) I: 4 A: 2 Ld: 10 Sv: 3+

Damned Legionnaire:

WS: 4 BS: 4 S: 4 T: 4 W: 1(2) I: 4 A: 2 Ld: 10 Sv: 3+

Wargear: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armor

Rules: Relentless, Fearless

Aid Unlooked For: The Legion of The Damned always start the game in reserve and always arrive by Deep Strike. They may re-roll the Deep Strike Scatter Dice and pick either result.

Unyielding Specters: The Legion has a 3+ Invulnerable Save

In The Darkest Hour: The Legion Of The Damned may be fielded as an Elites Choice in any Imperial Codex. Independent Characters may not join a Legion of The Damned Squad.

Stalwart Stride: The Legion Of The Damned are as tough as any Space Marine, but it is in the true holiness of melee that they truly shine; each Legionnaire has two separate Wounds Values; 1 Wound for Shooting, and Two for Close Combat. If either is reduced to zero, the model is removed as a casualty. For the purposes of all special rules, the Legionnaires count as 1 wound models, but count as 2 wound models when the unit is Locked In Combat.

30 Points Per Model

35 For Sergeant

Squad Consists of: 1 Sergeant, 4-9 Legionnaires

Upgrades are as listed in Codex: Space Marines

**Ultrafool**

I like that making legion for any IoM cool, as I would love to field them with my Flesh Tearers, but the whole two wound thing kind of urks me. I guess that was to make them more durable because they are space marine ghosts that die when they deep strike.. I would make them T5 and maybe a sternguard bolter for 35pts.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Special Issue Ammunition doesn't really make sense to me, since it's a shooty thing and LotD are supposed to be a balance of shooty and assaulty.

The two wounds thing was me just trying out an idea, wondering how it might work.

**Ultrafool**

The special ammo is to give them an extra punch when deep striking and since they are relentless, they can assault after double tapping into some poor sobs.

**xlEternitylx**

Don't care for the multiple wounds thing, but I agree, they need something balance their lack of CC. I'd rather give them a loadout like this:
Bolt Pistol, Power Sword, Boltgun w/ Special Issue.

That way, they get extra attacks on the charge, ignore armor, and still get double tap.

**Ultrafool**

xlEternitylx wrote:Don't care for the multiple wounds thing, but I agree, they need something balance their lack of CC. I'd rather give them a loadout like this:
Bolt Pistol, Power Sword, Boltgun w/ Special Issue.

That way, they get extra attacks on the charge, ignore armor, and still get double tap.

I wouldn't give them a power sword, but maybe cc attacks rend, but it would come with a price.

**Sam__theRelentless**

I like this idea of the extra CC Wound, it would certainly make them more VFM is they didn't die very easily.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Still, Special Issue Ammunition doesn't make sense, fluff wise, and if I did that, no one would ever take Sternguard because Legion would be so much better.

**Ultrafool**

Sternguard are are cheaper than the legion and can take combi weapons and transports. Legion always have to deep strike and come in reserves. Legion are very weak when they come in because they have bolters, yeah you can rapid fire but after that, they will get shot up or assaulted. With special ammo they have a boost when come out and T5 makes them more survivable when they come on.

**Riddick40k**

Or atleast make the bolters AP3 standard, i mean every other part of their armour and body are transformed by the warp why not the bolters?

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Riddick40k wrote:Or atleast make the bolters AP3 standard, i mean every other part of their armour and body are transformed by the warp why not the bolters?

Do Chaos Marines have AP 3 Bolters?

I wouldn't say no to giving them Hellfire Rounds, but not all Special Issue Ammunition.

I'm also considering making a whole Legion Of The Damned fandex built on whatever comes out of this thread.

**Riddick40k**

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:
Riddick40k wrote:Or atleast make the bolters AP3 standard, i mean every other part of their armour and body are transformed by the warp why not the bolters?
Do Chaos Marines have AP 3 Bolters?

I wouldn't say no to giving them Hellfire Rounds, but not all Special Issue Ammunition.

I'm also considering making a whole Legion Of The Damned fandex built on whatever comes out of this thread.

Yes the Thousand Sons have AP3 bolters

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Riddick40k wrote:
Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:
Riddick40k wrote:Or atleast make the bolters AP3 standard, i mean every other part of their armour and body are transformed by the warp why not the bolters?
Do Chaos Marines have AP 3 Bolters?

I wouldn't say no to giving them Hellfire Rounds, but not all Special Issue Ammunition.

I'm also considering making a whole Legion Of The Damned fandex built on whatever comes out of this thread.

Yes the Thousand Sons have AP3 bolters

Terrifying.

Anyway. Hellfire Rounds for the Legion. Opinion?

**Sam__theRelentless**

Compulsory or voluntary?

Could be interesting either way....

**jy2**

Are you kidding me? 2W, able to double-tap with special ammo before charging, all power weapons....you guys do realize they've got 3++ invuln's, right?

This is what I would do. Keep the codex entry with only 3 changes:

- replace Slow & Purposeful with Relentless
- FNP
- Poisoned 4+ rounds (hellfire is too good on relentless models)

Then bump up the price to 35pts (40pts for sergeant).

**Sam__theRelentless**

eeeh, maybe drop the poisoned and instead keep the price the same.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

They are NOT getting Feel No Pain on my watch.

**Riddick40k**

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:They are NOT getting Feel No Pain on my watch.

Why not? They are warp twisted freaks, why should they feel pain?

**ph34r**

Your Friend Doctor Robert wrote:They are NOT getting Feel No Pain on my watch.

Unfortunately the double wound rule works almost exactly the same as having FNP in close combat. The only difference is with power weapons that don't instant death.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

My point; the Double Wounds in Close Combat is already better than FNP.

**jy2**

The reason I suggested FNP is because there is actually a Legion of the Damned Apoc formation. The units in that formation get both the Fearless and FNP USR's to represent their supernatural toughness.

Just an idea. Run with what you like.

**Your Friend Doctor Robert**

Maybe the "double wounds in CC" thing could be saved for something that's honor bound to die in Close Combat.

Personally, I'd like to see some variant of that as a replacement for Feel No Pain, get rid of the luck aspect of it.

**BronzeJon**

Damned Sergeant

WS: 5 BS: 4 S: 4 T: 5 W: 2 I: 4 A: 2 Ld: 10 Sv: 3+

Damned Legionnaire:

WS: 4 BS: 4 S: 4 T: 5 W: 2 I: 4 A: 2 Ld: 10 Sv: 3+

Wargear: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, Frag and Krak Grenades, Power Armor

Rules: Slow and Purposeful, Fearless, Feel No Pain

Aid Unlooked For: The Legion of The Damned always start the game in reserve and always arrive by Deep Strike. They may re-roll the Deep Strike Scatter Dice and pick either result.

Unyielding Specters: The Legion has a 3+ Invulnerable Save

In The Darkest Hour: The Legion Of The Damned may be fielded as an Elites Choice in any Imperial Codex. Independent Characters may not join a Legion of The Damned Squad.

Warpfire Fusilade: The Legion Of The Damned fire bolters similarly afflicted by the warp. Replace the boltgun's profile with below.

Unnatural Strength: Wounds dealt in close combat by the Legion of the Damned have the Rending special rule.

S4 AP3 Rapid Fire

35 Points Per Model

Squad Consists of: 1 Sergeant, 4-9 Legionnaires

Upgrades are as listed in Codex: Space Marines

That would be my ideal Legion squad. And, I'd actually take them then. Some may say this looks op or cheesy, but personally I think a semi superhero elite elite that's not a one route pony might make the game a bit more fun.

**Sam__theRelentless**

Well, we don't want to make a "unit to end all units!". We also don't want to replace Sternguard, LotD should be an alternative to them, serving a slightly less shooty but more CC function.

**Macok**

I think you need to increase point value for those guys.. They are harder to take down than Paladins..

**Just Dave**

Doc Robert, I feel your rules miss the fundamental problem with the existing LotD in that these warp-bound, highly resistant and powerful Space Marines still die just as quickly to a lasgun. That is their main problem; they're very expensive models who die in droves to small arms fire it seems. FNP is the simplest solution to this and yet you don't want to opt for it; it also benefits ranged and close combat.

I'd personally recommend one of several possible changes to the LotD:

- Str 5, T5: Better in close combat and tougher without going OTT.
- FNP: Tougher to small arms, with a 3++ against heavier weaponry which would negate FNP. Possibly CCW+ BP to boot.
- 2 wounds: Tougher in close combat and against ranged weaponry. That they'd be tougher than PM's is arguably a problem and they could be overpowered in such a state, but it's a characterful, all-round benefit.

- May also want to add +1 to their reserve roll.

BronzeJon; I'd honestly say that the idea you describe is far too powerful: 2 wounds, 2 attacks, FNP, rending, AP3 bolters at 35pts! Far too much IMHO.

**BronzeJon**

I do see that being a point. What do you guys think about my opt but without rending in CC. S5 T5 makes some sense too, but I skipped the S5 because it could easily OTT them.

What do you think about

Damned Sergeant
WS: 5 BS: 4 S: 4 T: 5 W: 2 I: 4 A: 2 Ld: 10 Sv: 3+

Damned Legionnaire:
WS: 4 BS: 4 S: 4 T: 5 W: 2 I: 4 A: 2 Ld: 10 Sv: 3+

Wargear: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Boltgun, Power Armor
Rules: Slow and Purposeful, Fearless, Feel No Pain

Aid Unlooked For: The Legion of The Damned always start the game in reserve and always arrive by Deep Strike. They may re-roll the Deep Strike Scatter Dice and pick either result.

Unyielding Specters: The Legion's save is invulnerable.

Warpfire Fusilade: The Legion Of The Damned fire bolters similarly afflicted by the warp. Replace the squad's bolt weapon profiles with below.

Boltgun
S4 AP3, Rapid Fire

Bolt Pistol
S4 AP3, Pistol

Squad size, Sargent and 4 Damned Legionnaires.
200p

Add up to 5 more legionnaires for 40 points per model.

**Macok**

They are still too tough.. 5T, FNP, 3++, 2W? You need 6 melta *wounds* to kill one.. Full unit of fire dragons on average kills less than one.. With wound allocation not even that..
You need about 30 marines double tapping to kill one (no wound allocation). No way that is close to balanced..

**Just Dave**

I agree. You should have one of (two at very most) FNP/T5/2W, but three is far too much, particularly for their cost IMHO! Tougher even than the 55pts Paladins!

**G00fySmiley**

I say leave am exactly as they are but add FNP or take away slow and purposful and add in relentless... one or the other, not both