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lord of the ghosts wrote:Why thor?
This is why I voted for ghosty.

My vote is for half of your stated reasons. You cited his lack of explanations - which is true. I've asked him on a few occasions to explain or discuss his logic for a vote and he's never deemed it worthy to reply. However, as I noted above, I would add that he often zips in with his vote after one or two other people have leveled accusations against the person he's voting for. It just seems potentially opportunistic - as though he's attempting to help a lynch happen without having to sweat the detail work. He might simply be a lazy loyalist, but the pattern seems reasonable to suspect that he also might be a heretic hoping to fly slightly under the radar. Because of that I feel he looks like the most scummy of any of the people with votes (that are not my vote) on them.

lord of the ghosts wrote:I might change my vote.

That is up to you and at the moment has no particular bearing on my vote.

Thor665 wrote:
He might simply be a lazy loyalist, but the pattern seems reasonable to suspect that he also might be a heretic hoping to fly slightly under the radar.

If he is a loaylist, he is too lazy to care about other's lives.
But he is a heretic.

lord of the ghosts wrote:If he is a loaylist, he is too lazy to care about other's lives.
But he is a heretic.

If you're that sure of his guilt why would you discuss the possibility of changing your vote?

Just to reiterate, I don't Thor's reasoning is petty. It's suspicious to me, but I think I understand his strategy.

Manchu wrote:Just to reiterate, I don't Thor's reasoning is petty. It's suspicious to me, but I think I understand his strategy.

Though I dispute where your logic takes that strategy and turns me into a traitor.

Since we are near to deadline now and since you have agreed that any lynch is superior to no lynch you're not helping by simply voting and sitting on a bandwagon with no traction. You could at least be working to convince others to vote for me as opposed to sitting quietly on your vote.

Let me blunt. If you want a lynch, we could both switch our votes to LotG. I have moderate suspicions of his actions but they are somewhat related to my suspicions of you. If you voted for him, I would feel reassured about your intentions generally. As you have said, LotG could just be all over the place but (OOC: he's done it before to poor effect and surely learned a lesson from that) I wonder if it isn't an act to distract us from more sinister leanings. As I said, if you vote for LotG then I will, too, and you'll have your lynch.

OOC: The deadline is in three or four days (Not sure how long I forgot alot ) we need to decide very SOON.

I honestly believe that Lynching LoG, would be better then no lynch.

Manchu wrote:As I said, if you vote for LotG then I will, too, and you'll have your lynch.

Says the woman who accuses me of trying to control votes. I do want a lynch - I see no reason to make a deal with you in this situation to achieve a lynch I feel is an inferior lynch. I have openly stated my beliefs as to when a lotg vote will be a good one and have openly stated why I am currently voting ghosty and what will make me vote lotg. Nothing has happened to change those beliefs thus far and I will stand by them until such happens.

@Lord-Loss - I agree, we do need to decide soon. You requesting that we decide "SOON" while not currently voting for someone seems counter-intuitive though. I would advocate putting your vote on either the person you feel is most guilty and loudly proclaiming why that is so - or to put it on a person who currently has some votes who is the most guilty seeming of all those currently being voted for. Both actions are more proactive to your stated goal.

I also feel LotG is an inferior lynch. I was merely responding to your criticism, which seemed aimed at making me appear that I was basically voting no lynch by voting you. (A very convenient interpretation, I might add.) It seems you are the only one who is allowed to be stubborn? I have stated the reasons for voting for you and am not willing to jump down everyone else's throats to convince them like you want (hence my vote against you). Everyone knows how I feel about this, no need to badger them. For the sake of being realistic and getting a lynch--which we all agree is a benefit those of us who are citizens--I offer the aforementioned compromise.

Thor665 wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:If he is a loaylist, he is too lazy to care about other's lives.
But he is a heretic.

If you're that sure of his guilt why would you discuss the possibility of changing your vote?

You started the possiblity of changing my vote as a threat to you, giveing a possible slip-up saying that you are a heretic.
If my death comes soon, I shall laugh at lord-loss for killing a loylist.

I will note that I have taken a proactive step to avoid a no lynch situation that does not entail trying to work deals with other people (i.e. you vote for them and I'll do this). I encouraged you to do the same as, because of aforementioned reasons that I have changed my own vote, I do feel sitting on a vote that will accomplish nothing is not too helpful to the town. Your opinion may vary but I am doing nothing hypocritical. I am critical of you choosing to stay on that vote with zero proactive action either to get me lynched or to seek avoidance of a no lynch situation.

I do not think you can take the moral high ground of 'I'm not jumping down throats and will keep my vote on the most guilty person while avoiding loose lips' if at the same time you're trying to offer a deal to me to try and lynch lotg, a person you *agree* isn't the best lynch option.

If you offer was truly as honest as you wish to make it seem I submit you would have changed your vote already and then asked me to follow suit. You did not do this for reasons that are certainly your own but which appear scummy to me.

Since you agree with me that lotg is a sub-optimal lynch maybe you want to consider ghosty or n0t_u? I'm voting ghosty for reasons already stated and would much rather lynch him then lotg.

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Thor665 wrote:If you're that sure of his guilt why would you discuss the possibility of changing your vote?

You started the possiblity of changing my vote as a threat to you, giveing a possible slip-up saying that you are a heretic.

((OOC - I've got to be honest with you, lotg, I have no idea what you're saying here.))

Thor665 wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Thor665 wrote:If you're that sure of his guilt why would you discuss the possibility of changing your vote?

You started the possiblity of changing my vote as a threat to you, giveing a possible slip-up saying that you are a heretic.

((OOC - I've got to be honest with you, lotg, I have no idea what you're saying here.))

{OOC: mostly everybody doesn't}

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Thor665 wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:

Thor665 wrote:If you're that sure of his guilt why would you discuss the possibility of changing your vote?

You started the possiblity of changing my vote as a threat to you, giveing a possible slip-up saying that you are a heretic.

((OOC - I've got to be honest with you, lotg, I have no idea what you're saying here.))

{OOC: mostly everybody doesn't}

[OOC: Then mostly STFU]

Unvote: n0t_u

Vote: Ghosty

[The hour grows late, and I'm jumping on the ghost-train. Anyone else coming?]

"Ghosty has contributed little, which can actually be interpreted as somewhat suspicious in itself, especially due to the fact that his lynch-follows constitute the better part of his contributions overall."

I would vote for him as he does indeed seem to be suspicious. But, also the votes for him only started after LoG voted for him because Ghosty voted for LoG without any reason to it. At the moment he has three votes and we have two days until the first day phase is finished. Just seemed to stand out to me for some reason.

Although LoG still seems suspicious to me, Ghosty's silence seems even more so; causually cruising by hoping to be unoticed. But this raises another problem. If he is doing it as a way of not getting lynched, is he a traitor or an important loyalist character? We don't know who he is trying to avoid. When this is cleared up a little bit I'll think about changing my vote to him. As I have rejected my idiotic idea of restricting my votes a few posts after I thought of it

n0t_u wrote:I would vote for him as he does indeed seem to be suspicious. But, also the votes for him only started after LoG voted for him because Ghosty voted for LoG without any reason to it. At the moment he has three votes and we have two days until the first day phase is finished. Just seemed to stand out to me for some reason.

Although LoG still seems suspicious to me, Ghosty's silence seems even more so; causually cruising by hoping to be unoticed. But this raises another problem. If he is doing it as a way of not getting lynched, is he a traitor or an important loyalist character? We don't know who he is trying to avoid. When this is cleared up a little bit I'll think about changing my vote to him. As I have rejected my idiotic idea of restricting my votes a few posts after I thought of it

{OOC: If there was a robbery on dakka, I'd be the first to be questioned. }

n0t_u wrote:When this is cleared up a little bit I'll think about changing my vote to him.

There is no true way to clear that up except in your own mind. I submit his desire to hop onto whatever lynch wagon seemed to have the most steam suggest less of a likelihood of him being loyalist then it does him being scum. You have to draw your own conclusions as there is no way to guarantee at this point.

(OOC:No you wouldnt your not smart enough to rob something)

LoG is now constantly confusing people, he's been suspicous earlier in the game and he he been taking things out of context alot.

Vote: LoG

Lord-Loss wrote:(OOC:No you wouldnt your not smart enough to rob something)

LoG is now constantly confusing people, he's been suspicous earlier in the game and he he been taking things out of context alot.

Vote: LoG

{OOC: I wouldn't rob anything, I would just be so flakey that everyone will think it would be me, but you are right.}
Yet, no one understnds me, but they have to try. I realy am not trieing to confuse MOST people. Just the ones I think are genestealers.

lord of the ghosts wrote:Yet, no one understnds me, but they have to try.

Communication is a two way street last I checked. ::spits on floor.:: Now that Lord-Loss has put you at L-1 (1 vote away from being lynched) do you have anything to say to perhaps clarify why you shouldn't be lynched?

Thor665 wrote:

lord of the ghosts wrote:Yet, no one understnds me, but they have to try.

Communication is a two way street last I checked. ::spits on floor.:: Now that Lord-Loss has put you at L-1 (1 vote away from being lynched) do you have anything to say to perhaps clarify why you shouldn't be lynched?

No, I can't think of anything. Lord-loss will regret it.
Manchu DO NOT THINK ABOUT voting FOR ME!!
OR ULATRAFOOL!!!
OR ANYONE ELSE!!!

LoG, take some time and think up a reason for you childish and silly actions.

(OOC: Arctik, ghosty has some good reasons why he isn't posting often which he explained to me previously)

24 hours remain in day phase one (roughly)

Lord-Loss wrote:LoG, take some time and think up a reason for you childish and silly actions.

{OOC: but I am under 16!!}

Actually now that you mention it Ultrafool kind of disappeared right after this on page 11 roughly 10 days ago:

Thor665 wrote:

Ultrafool wrote:No one has a clear thought on who to vote for.

How about you then simply express perhaps who you would vote for if you had to vote ((OOC - to prevent a deadline no lynch))

Or maybe you could offer up some thoughts about what you'd like to see happen to make a vote from you more reasonable. Certainly if you're unsure who to vote for it might behoove you to try and ask a few questions or put some pressure on someone to see if they appear more or less guilty via their reactions to you.

Also a few pages back Ghosty explained his lack of posts:

ghosty wrote:ooc: sorry ive been having real life difficulties. stuff that really sucks. and exams. sorry :(

LoG does seem to be acting suspiciously.... i mean, hes penalised everyone by his actions..

This makes Ghosty seem less suspicious to me and makes Ultrafool look more likely to be a traitor. Even look at Drkys last vote count. Out of date now, but both of the non-voters have still not cast their vote yet.

Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:Voting Count

-Ultrafool (-)
-Orkeosaurus (-)
1-Thor665 ( Manchu)
-Arctik_Firangi (-)
1-Manchu ( Thor665)
-Lord-Loss (-)
1-n0t_u (Lord-Loss, Arctik_Firangi)
-Ghosty (-)
-Mekboy (-)
4-Lord of Ghosts- (ghosty, Owain, Orkeosaurus, n0t_u)
-Owain (-)

No Lynch-
Not Voting- Ultrafool, Mekkboy

6 to lynch
96 hours remaining

Two people do not want to vote and that is not suspicious, why? LoG is childish, Ghosty has exams. But a traitor might want a no vote so as to lower the chance of being removed early on. A no vote gets the loyalists nowhere, therefore I would change my vote from LoG to Ultrafool. But, it is very likely that it is too late and will just end up giving the traitors the no vote they want. We still have a day left, hopefully that's enough time for everyone to see this and have a last good think about their votes before the day is finished. Besides if Ghosty was suspicious because of his lack of votes, by that logic wouldn't Ultrafool seem even more so given the fact that he currently hasn't voted and the last post that made him vanish. Either he was scared off by Thor, or Thor asked the right question to the right person but failed to really follow through.

Unvote
Vote: Ultrafool
If it gets to close to the deadline though and a no lynch is likely I will change my vote back, LoG is still suspicious just not the most at the moment.

I forgive ghosty.
Unvote
BUT a genesteeler would be more active in the game. Still no vote isn't good this late in the day.
Vote:Ultrafool 20% chance of him being a traitor + suspension, so about 25%
{OOC:BUT I ARE A CHILD!!!}

Unvote: Ghosty

Vote: Lord of the Ghosts

"This is ridiculous. We have no strong evidence against anyone that is likely going to get lynched today, so I can only see one feasible option. His distraction is too painful to bear."

((OOC - lots of meta game babble in this post and I don't think I edited it all into OOC quotes so this is an early apology for that. Also, to all the players I sort of needle for not posting - there is no personal hurt on my end. It's just a rational breakdown of what does or does not serve the loyalist faction and inactivity or abbreviated votes do not. I am certain you have good reasons and do not presume to suggest you overlook RL issues for a game. Hopefully this will excuse any perceived rudeness that comes across from me in this post, and if not I do apologize because I'm not trying to be impolite I just couldn't think of a way to phrase what I felt needed to be said in any nicer terms.))

n0t_u wrote:if Ghosty was suspicious because of his lack of votes, by that logic wouldn't Ultrafool seem even more so given the fact that he currently hasn't voted and the last post that made him vanish. Either he was scared off by Thor, or Thor asked the right question to the right person but failed to really follow through.

ghosty is suspicious because of when and how he votes and with what lack of explanation. Not because he hasn't voted. Not voting is an anti-Imperium action in my mind but is not a guaranteed scum tell. (also, both Mekboy and Ultrafool certainly appear to have a habit of spotty posting in these games even when playing loyalists.) For the record I don't think Ultrafool was scared off - I think he just stopped posting. that said, just in case we don't lynch either of them;

Requesting prod on Ultrafool
Requesting prod on Mekboy

((OOC - Holidays aside they should have told us if they weren't going to post for 10+ days. If they can't post a bit more regularly it would behoove us to have Drk_O replace them with players who'd be able to participate more regularly))

If it gets to close to the deadline though and a no lynch is likely I will change my vote back, LoG is still suspicious just not the most at the moment.

Good, if it comes down to it I will certainly join you in that action to assure at least a lynch, even a sub-par lynch that I feel is pretty much an assured loyalist. I do still submit ghosty has had more obvious anti-Imperium actions by choosing to vote without explaining why and always choosing to vote for whomever seems the most likely wagon at any given time. ((OOC - I am sure he has reasons that make it hard to post often, but that doesn't excuse him from posting information when he does post. If it's too exhausting to do that he should probably ask for a replacement. Since he hasn't I have to presume his reasons for not posting deeper thoughts and always going with the flow are either because he's scum or he considers it too much work to do so (or perhaps that it's totally unneeded). In either case he is more dangerous to us then someone who just isn't posting in my opinion.))

lord of the ghosts wrote:20% chance of him being a traitor + suspension, so about 25%

Your concept of math and probability makes my brain cry. ((OOC - also, please stop screaming repeatedly about your age. Fifteen is more then old enough to be able to manage an internet chat game. If you just want out of the game or legitimately believe your age prevents you from playing it properly you can always ask to be replaced. If you want to stay in the game you owe it to your fellow players to actually play the game without random excuses.))

Arctik_Firangi wrote:"This is ridiculous. We have no strong evidence against anyone that is likely going to get lynched today, so I can only see one feasible option. His distraction is too painful to bear."

::The old hiver drops into a sitting position and toys with some scar tissue on his forearm.::
Can't fault your frustration, if something doesn't shift soon I'll join you in that vote ((OOC - since I'll be quite useless Thursday if no worthwhile shifts happen tomorrow morning I'll put my vote on lotg at around noon EST. I do believe that will put him back at L-1 (we had two people stop voting him and then Arctik went and voted for him, yes?) After that we can maybe afford a bit of conversation, but someone should definitely be able to verify they can show up to drop the hammer before deadline.))