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Goliath wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Goliath wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:btw.: is it just me, or did the Doctor seemed to know what the Flesh is?

He blatantly did.

Considering the Flesh were in that episode with that freaky hospital run by cats he must know what they are.

Really? I can't remember that.

It was the one with the cats...
I think it was the second episode with Rose...
I only remember it 'cos i had to watch it in Japanese for some reason...

According to Doctor Who Wiki that's just a coincidence of them having the same name, they're completely unrelated.

There doesn't seem much to support that...

to support what?
That they are related? or that they aren't related?

That they aren't related.

lol Delic army would be such a great Necron force lol lotsa possabilities, Ancient Necrons hovering up from the ground to suck the life out of a planet.

purplefood wrote:

Goliath wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Goliath wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:btw.: is it just me, or did the Doctor seemed to know what the Flesh is?

He blatantly did.

Considering the Flesh were in that episode with that freaky hospital run by cats he must know what they are.

Really? I can't remember that.

It was the one with the cats...
I think it was the second episode with Rose...
I only remember it 'cos i had to watch it in Japanese for some reason...

According to Doctor Who Wiki that's just a coincidence of them having the same name, they're completely unrelated.

There doesn't seem much to support that...

to support what?
That they are related? or that they aren't related?

That they aren't related.

What evidence is there that they are related though?
To me it seems that they were referred to as "the flesh" because they weren't considered to be real humans, but were humans biologically, so to the sisters they were just lumps of disease riddled meat.

They are both clones.
The Dr seems to know something about them that no one else does.
And, according to Dr. who Wiki he claims to have met the previously...
Under history 3rd paragraph.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flesh

purplefood wrote:They are both clones.
The Dr seems to know something about them that no one else does.
And, according to Dr. who Wiki he claims to have met the previously...
Under history 3rd paragraph.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flesh

If it was in an episode it would have a reference link thing at the end of the paragraph.

Lord-Loss wrote:

purplefood wrote:They are both clones.
The Dr seems to know something about them that no one else does.
And, according to Dr. who Wiki he claims to have met the previously...
Under history 3rd paragraph.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flesh

If it was in an episode it would have a reference link thing at the end of the paragraph.

Fair enough.
There is more evidence point to rather than against IMO.

Don't the Sontarans grow clones in a vat of goo? I think it's a green goo rather than the pancake mix used for 'The Flesh', but similar technology maybe ??

purplefood wrote:They are both clones.
The Dr seems to know something about them that no one else does.
And, according to Dr. who Wiki he claims to have met the previously...
Under history 3rd paragraph.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Flesh

Just rewatched it with my housemate, he says that they are an early version of the technology, as if when he met them before they were much more advanced.

Overall I quite liked it.

Some nice nods o' the head towards Frankenstein et al, which were nicely done. A little predictable, perhaps, but then again that's largely to do with the format of the show as well.

I do wonder if the guy who kept sneezing was a clue or something ? Like maybe they already died and were replaced before or something.

.. why yes, I did enjoy "Moon" immensely too BTW.

Once again we're presented or teased with the possibility of their being another Time Lord/similar.. a recurring theme of the series so far. One can only assume that this is a tease towards however they resolve the ..problem... from the first episode.

I'm assuming that at least part of Rory's motivation is that he too has, essentially, gone through something very similar to what the vat clones are going through. If this is the case or is touched upon then I can only applaud them for this character work.

.. whilst once again thinking this is another ( previously referred to or reminded to us earlier in the series) reference to a copy of a thing being a thing and/or replacement.

Or of course it could just be that this is coincidence and he's acting as he is purely for the needs of the plot.

I kept thinking the same thing about the sneezing (and i loved MOON too ), but wasnt sure if it was maybe something to help us differentiate between the humans and the Flesh.
Both myself and my housemate agreed that Rory's story was completely out of character. Even though he is a nurse, and a caring person, theres no way he would suddenly have feelings for another woman that quickly (he waited for Amy for 2000 years for Gods sake!).

There's having empathy and there's having feelings.

O yeah i get that, but he does seem to have quite a bit more empathy than he should for her...if you catch my drift?

Revenent Reiko wrote:O yeah i get that, but he does seem to have quite a bit more empathy than he should for her...if you catch my drift?

Well if you had to wait 2000 years for the person you loved you would feel kinda introverted and a bit alone don't you think?

purplefood wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:O yeah i get that, but he does seem to have quite a bit more empathy than he should for her...if you catch my drift?

Well if you had to wait 2000 years for the person you loved you would feel kinda introverted and a bit alone don't you think?

But still devoted, thats my point.

Revenent Reiko wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:O yeah i get that, but he does seem to have quite a bit more empathy than he should for her...if you catch my drift?

Well if you had to wait 2000 years for the person you loved you would feel kinda introverted and a bit alone don't you think?

But still devoted, thats my point.

Well 2000 years... that's the kind of devotion few can ever get.

purplefood wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:O yeah i get that, but he does seem to have quite a bit more empathy than he should for her...if you catch my drift?

Well if you had to wait 2000 years for the person you loved you would feel kinda introverted and a bit alone don't you think?

But still devoted, thats my point.

Well 2000 years... that's the kind of devotion few can ever get.

True, but Amy has seemed to inspire it (he didnt give up early after all )

Only 2000 years? I'd easily wait longer than that for her, you know, if I was immune to the ravages of time.

I suppose so but it can't have been easy, he must have killed a whoe boatload of people.

purplefood wrote:I suppose so but it can't have been easy, he must have killed a whoe boatload of people.

Erm, why would he have killed lots of people?
I mean, im sure he did at some point or another, but why a boatload

Revenent Reiko wrote:

purplefood wrote:I suppose so but it can't have been easy, he must have killed a whoe boatload of people.

Erm, why would he have killed lots of people?
I mean, im sure he did at some point or another, but why a boatload

Well think about it.
It's a very mysterious artifact that was around during the time of empires and such. So many different cultures must have tried to claim it and kill him off, he would of had to defend himself and protect the great big box.

Dam. you british guys are like a whole season ahead of us new zealanders. we got our first episode of the "new" season last thersday.

purplefood wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

purplefood wrote:I suppose so but it can't have been easy, he must have killed a whoe boatload of people.

Erm, why would he have killed lots of people?
I mean, im sure he did at some point or another, but why a boatload

Well think about it.
It's a very mysterious artifact that was around during the time of empires and such. So many different cultures must have tried to claim it and kill him off, he would of had to defend himself and protect the great big box.

O OK, thought you had a different reason than that lol, thats pretty much what i thought of as well
@Ledabot, well it is made here.... (alright, in Wales but close enough)

Revenent Reiko wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

purplefood wrote:I suppose so but it can't have been easy, he must have killed a whoe boatload of people.

Erm, why would he have killed lots of people?
I mean, im sure he did at some point or another, but why a boatload

Well think about it.
It's a very mysterious artifact that was around during the time of empires and such. So many different cultures must have tried to claim it and kill him off, he would of had to defend himself and protect the great big box.

O OK, thought you had a different reason than that lol, thats pretty much what i thought of as well
@Ledabot, well it is made here.... (alright, in Wales but close enough)

but since we are in the commonwelth you would think that we would get it before france but nooooo. we have to wait.
I think im having a bad day. i dont think ive posted anything positive yet....

O PLEASE tell me someone else watched tonights episode??!!
on the whole , the actual episode was pretty meh, but the ending.......o thank you whoever is listening, there is something to look forward to next week!!

The episode was ace A little exploration of personality and self combined with some awesome hilarity with the double Doctors. I had an inkling that the real Dr and his Ganger were being confused but it was a nice plot twist. And that ending........ absolutely bleeding fantastic.

I was a bit worried the Doctor Smith was gonna go a touch mental, near the middle...

purplefood wrote:I was a bit worried the Doctor Smith was gonna go a touch mental, near the middle...

Mmm same here, i was a bit concerned they werent showing us their shoes.....but it all worked out i suppose.
A little annoyed they didnt explain the whole Rory + Jennifer thing AT ALL, or how the Doctor seems to have had 2 Sonic screwdrivers

Revenent Reiko wrote:

purplefood wrote:I was a bit worried the Doctor Smith was gonna go a touch mental, near the middle...

Mmm same here, i was a bit concerned they werent showing us their shoes.....but it all worked out i suppose.
A little annoyed they didnt explain the whole Rory + Jennifer thing AT ALL, or how the Doctor seems to have had 2 Sonic screwdrivers

He can make a new screwdriver...
I was completly freaked out by Jennifer... she went craaazy...

On the whole, I agree with pretty much everything that's been said on the episode.

It wasn't all that good near the end.. especially with another repeat of the stereo-typical "The escape route/vehicle is right over here, lets martyr ourselves pointlessly instead!"

To be honest, the plot has been rather transparent throughout the entire series, increasingly so the further in we've gotten.

Also:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00h7m4l

And again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/videos/p00h74x2

From a dramatic viewpoint that was necessary to get rid of the excess Doctor and to show that the Gangers were capable of proper human empathy and emotion.

I don't understand why Jennifer went so off the rails, though.