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Seriously, this looks fricking awesome!! I've never been so excited about a release!

It's got everything that I'd hoped for, new plastic monsters, huge destructive spells and wizarding duels!

Flashman wrote:Indeed, this release has produced the odd good model (namely the single plastic characters, the DE dragon and some of the scenery), but the rules system is just "Let's throw eveything onto the table and blow it up!"

The rules are "Any army can take this stuff, so everyone can buy everything". It's a more blatant version of the 'every army can use a Baneblade!' that we got for Apoc.

So what if it is?

I don't even play Fantasy but at least they have something they can go mental with now.

No one is forcing anyone to play it, it's just an expansion.

Don't see what all the fuss is about really...

(Oh wait, Ward wrote it, scratch what I said!)

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Flashman wrote:Indeed, this release has produced the odd good model (namely the single plastic characters, the DE dragon and some of the scenery), but the rules system is just "Let's throw eveything onto the table and blow it up!"

The rules are "Any army can take this stuff, so everyone can buy everything". It's a more blatant version of the 'every army can use a Baneblade!' that we got for Apoc.

I was gonna say this, it sounds just like a fantasy version of apoc (but somehow wizard spells sound so much cooler than orbital bombardments)

And I know no one likes to hear fluff as justification for things (namely rules) but wouldn't it make sense that all the different magics are coming to take a colossal dump on the battlefield, so it would be fair to say that your wizard might accidentally summon a monster that you don't expect to be an ally.

Exactly, it's FANTASY.

It might look mental for all this strange ally business but they are messing with the pure winds of chaos/magic here...

It's Fantasy going back a few editions, which I am all for. And apparently, is what 'the community' keep on demanding. Until of course they get it, when they don't.

Placed my order today, including a Chimera, because I likes it!

Bloodhorror wrote:I like the models, but i despise the idea behind Storm of Magic...

Dwarves can now field Dark Elf Hydras
The Empire can now field Daemon BloodCrushers of Khorne
Skaven can field Griffons and Great Eagles??

Its just gotten to the point here where you can buy bits and bobs from every army, and then play a storm of magic game and use 'em all!

Dude you can fit it in the fluff (at least for dwarfs), by making an insane mechanical monster... I have spent all my morning making an dwarven eagle, out of Dwarf war machine parts and a pair of Airfix wings

Oh yeah, forgot to mention mild disappointment that the Dice aren't up for Advanced Order.

Anyone know if there is a delay?

Tim the Biovore wrote:I don't like the sound of this new set of rules. The models are all pretty good (With the exception of the Manticore and that dreadful Lammasu), so I'll probably be picking up some of them for fun.

Dude the Lammasu kit is as terrible as it always was and I actually quite like the comic retro look, for collecting but not gaming

Oski Bugmansson wrote:

Bloodhorror wrote:I like the models, but i despise the idea behind Storm of Magic...

Dwarves can now field Dark Elf Hydras
The Empire can now field Daemon BloodCrushers of Khorne
Skaven can field Griffons and Great Eagles??

Its just gotten to the point here where you can buy bits and bobs from every army, and then play a storm of magic game and use 'em all!

Dude you can fit it in the fluff (at least for dwarfs), by making an insane mechanical monster... I have spent all my morning making an dwarven eagle, out of Dwarf war machine parts and a pair of Airfix wings

Okay then, that sounds cool and i shall PERMIT that

But The Empire Using Bloodcrushers?
And Skaven using Great Eagles?? (That Don't Blow up!)

Bloodhorror wrote:I like the models, but i despise the idea behind Storm of Magic...

Dwarves can now field Dark Elf Hydras
The Empire can now field Daemon BloodCrushers of Khorne
Skaven can field Griffons and Great Eagles??

Its just gotten to the point here where you can buy bits and bobs from every army, and then play a storm of magic game and use 'em all!

And what's wrong with that??

Fluff fixes everything e.g.

Dwarves digging in a tunnel for gold and find a hydra - somehow make it into a pet called Spot
Empire general allowing rage to take over (human after all) and Khorne thinks it might be a good idea to help spill a bit of blood
Skaven warlord making a deal with Clan Moulder for some wings

Mr Mystery wrote:Oh yeah, forgot to mention mild disappointment that the Dice aren't up for Advanced Order.

Anyone know if there is a delay?

In the latest email I got from GW, they said it was a misprint and they're available for preorder after everything else is released.

Click heres for GW misprintins

Bloodhorror wrote:

Oski Bugmansson wrote:

Bloodhorror wrote:I like the models, but i despise the idea behind Storm of Magic...

Dwarves can now field Dark Elf Hydras
The Empire can now field Daemon BloodCrushers of Khorne
Skaven can field Griffons and Great Eagles??

Its just gotten to the point here where you can buy bits and bobs from every army, and then play a storm of magic game and use 'em all!

Dude you can fit it in the fluff (at least for dwarfs), by making an insane mechanical monster... I have spent all my morning making an dwarven eagle, out of Dwarf war machine parts and a pair of Airfix wings

Okay then, that sounds cool and i shall PERMIT that

But The Empire Using Bloodcrushers?
And Skaven using Great Eagles?? (That Don't Blow up!)

Yeah good point... BTW I will post pics of my dwarf eagle tomorrow

I will admit. A bit from the WD had me snickering.

The Great Leveller

Sacrifice a Slann to eliminate the enemy til they no longer outnumber the Lizardmen? Seriously? I field an army that's 80% Saurus. Do you know how many things outnumber me? That Cataclysm spell may as be called Win.

Bloodhorror wrote:And Skaven using Great Eagles?? (That Don't Blow up!)

I think the Skaven would have a phobia for eagles (and eagle-related creatures). It would just grab one of them and fly off to eat it.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Bloodhorror wrote:And Skaven using Great Eagles?? (That Don't Blow up!)

I think the Skaven would have a phobia for eagles (and eagle-related creatures). It would just grab one of them and fly off to eat it.

LOL yes this. There really should be a special rule for such situations... "Snacktime"

Placed my order last night for cards, vortexes, and the cockatrice. But now I'm going to have to model some goblins snacks on the cockatrice's base!

Can someone with better eyes than myself tell me if there are multiple heads for the Sorceress in the Black Dragon kit?

I actually think the Chimera looks quite a bit better with the different painting and angles... I'm still not buying it, but it looks better.

Do the lore specific and mixed pack of the magic dice come out next week, or is it just the mixed with the specific lores being released later?

5 inch templates?



Am I wrong in thinking that the DE WWP was only 3"? I.e., these won't be usable for that?

Bummer................




But the alternate pic of the Chimera and of the sprues look better than the initial pics.

That's correct, the DE Webway Portal was 3" as was the Vortex Grenade Template. These new templates are 5" in diameter.

The Fragile Breath wrote:Can someone with better eyes than myself tell me if there are multiple heads for the Sorceress in the Black Dragon kit?

There are indeed two heads for a sorceress (and can be seen on the sprue options page in WD).

gr1m_dan wrote:No one is forcing anyone to play it, it's just an expansion.

So is Imperial Armour, lol. And after how the FW threads in Dakka Discussions turned out, I'd argue about the "no one forcing you to play an expansion" part.

As for the clusterfethery of the rules, I don't doubt that everyone can pull a fluff explanation out of their ass for why why any army can summon any of the monsters or use units from any other army, similarly to the 40k baneblade (Orks can loot it, Tau have auxiliaries [which wouldn't be using baneblades but yeah], Space Marines can have IG allies, etc.). But just like the 40k baneblade the excuse is too flimsy to hide the fact that it's an obvious cash grab, and I think the rules have suffered for it. People complain all the time about how official codices/army books are not balanced and how the newest army just utterly destroys everyone else (whether or not that's actually true), then here comes Storm of Magic which very clearly has no thought whatsoever put into game balance or fair play, and those same people who complain about "creep" are likely here defending it. Hell, this is written by the same guy who did WHF Daemons, which literally broke the game to the point where playing anything other than Daemons was a pointless uphill struggle, and most people, from what I've seen, won't really argue that fact, either. It seems to be one of the few things people universally agree on, that WHF Daemons were way overpowered and the game really needed an overhaul because of it.

Same thing happened with Apocalypse. People whine and complain about how the game isn't fun or balanced, but they eat this gak up like candy, when everything about it screams "unbalanced, unfair, tedious, and just plain not fun". I don't really get it. Like a couple others have pointed out previously, who the hell wants to spend an hour setting up a game, and then in the first five minutes lose all of their expensive, carefully-placed models to a magical nuke? How is this "fun"?

I dunno, those are just my thoughts on the whole thing. I don't even play Fantasy so you can completely disregard everything I say if you want, and I'll even admit I might be wrong. But this sounds too much like Apocalypse to me, which I hate because the entire point seems to be about selling big, impressive kits that you would never get to use otherwise (because I guess GW and FW don't sell enough big models to just the collectors to satisfy their wallets). The actual games themselves are long, boring, broken, and not really all that rewarding in the end for either party, but hey, you got to dust off your FW titan for a while so at least you kinda got to justify that purchase a little more.


...anyway, what I really want to know is why the manticore is so god-damned ugly.

GW: Look at all the great single character and monster models!
Empire and Dwarf players: Great! We don't need to buy any of them but the fantastic new cannon rules mean that we can kill several of them per shooting phase!
GW:: Err.... Look at all the great single character and monster models!

The Lammasu looks exactly like the one growing a dust bunny on my shelf and I'm not sure the Taurus looks any different either. Unless they're planning on re-releasing chaos dwarfs (outside the FW nonsense), there's no point. Did they just put them in production so that they can serve C&D orders on miniature companies that started making them? I have forgotten the small company that made a lammasu recently and got a C&D for their effort.

BrassScorpion wrote:That's correct, the DE Webway Portal was 3" as was the Vortex Grenade Template. These new templates are 5" in diameter.

Ah...

As mentioned earlier, it's kind of 5th Ed Fantasyesque.

Army books back then had a monster section, and you had a pretty wide selection.

I think 'cash grab' is a little too harsh. Of course it's desgined to flog more models, be pretty pointless otherwise, but it gives me (dunno about anyone else) the opportunity, or indeed, excuse, to just go out and buy that Box of Bloodcrushers. Lovely models, not interested in Daemons as an army (for many of the reasons you listed above). But as a one off unit for silly units syndrome, I'm all for it.

What Sid basically, but I'd also add that the "it's an expansion, you don't have to play it" argument is a bit weak. Fantasy players have been waiting for a decent universal supplement since Warhammer Siege deades ago, but we get this unbalanced crap instead.

As I have said before, in a few months time it will go the way of Planetstrike.

A Black Ram wrote:I really want to take the Lore of Finecast..






See what I did there?

The problem with the Lore of Finecast is that miss-casts are more common under that "Lore".


See what I did there?

agnosto wrote: I have forgotten the small company that made a lammasu recently and got a C&D for their effort.

Raging Heroes.

Mr Mystery wrote:I think 'cash grab' is a little too harsh. Of course it's desgined to flog more models, be pretty pointless otherwise, but it gives me (dunno about anyone else) the opportunity, or indeed, excuse, to just go out and buy that Box of Bloodcrushers. Lovely models, not interested in Daemons as an army (for many of the reasons you listed above). But as a one off unit for silly units syndrome, I'm all for it.

Yeah, you're probably right. Also, it does differ from Apocalypse in that the models being released aren't exactly useless outside of the expansion, the dragon is perfectly usable in any game and a model that I've been kinda waiting for anyway...even though at this point I've kinda given up on Fantasy until I win the lottery.

Flashman wrote:As I have said before, in a few months time it will go the way of Planetstrike.

lol, Planetstrike. I bought that book, and I don't really remember why anymore. The only thing good that came out of that release was the terrain, which I think was the entire point anyway and the book was just done as an afterthought.

Flashman wrote:What Sid basically, but I'd also add that the "it's an expansion, you don't have to play it" argument is a bit weak. Fantasy players have been waiting for a decent universal supplement since Warhammer Siege deades ago, but we get this unbalanced crap instead.

As I have said before, in a few months time it will go the way of Planetstrike.

I think it's a bit early to be declaring it unbalanced. Not aware (though to be fair, not read the entire thread) of the rules being very common knowledge at the moment. Could be wrong, like I said, didn't read the entire thread.

That's just my opinion/first impression, judging entirely based on the rumors about magic being so devastating (when it apparently already is kind of nuts in the core game) and the ability for any army to take any unit/monster from any other army. It sounds too much like Apocalypse to me, just take whatever the hell you want and go nuts...but there could very well be limits and rules to balance it out for all we know. Then again, Apocalypse supposedly has those and I don't think it works too well, either.

Apparently there's magical duels and that.

Manager was telling me about how if, during a Duel, one miscasts, there's every chance both wizards will detonate.

Long as it's fun, I'm not so fussed for balance.