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Just wondering what everyone thought of my list from the other thread? With the Akorem?

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Just wondering what everyone thought of my list from the other thread? With the Akorem?

My buddy did something similar last month. The only problem is if the other fleet has all captains higher then a 6, which is easy, they are going can move after Kira can use her ability. So for the first 2 turns you may not be able to use her. With things like transwarp drive, romulan plots and ships with 360 attacks it will be easy for someone to zoom up on you turn 2 and take out 1-2 ships. The Nova & Akorem are very squishy, they might be the first targets.

I wish there was few more restrictions to OPs so we could see scenarios geard towards different fleets. I love the nova class but it came too late for the Dominion war and is not a very good fit for the Tholian web.


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I did a similar list but broke up my PSF and KBP between two ships with the same captain's skill. If you are relying on Martok to make one ship do the PSF and KBP you risk your target moving out of range between the two actions. I also used LE Kira to give ships Target Lock; but using something like Defense Condition One may work better (Kira doesn't give herself a Target Lock). I was going against Voyager and almost did not take it out. Of course it had more agility (3 with flagship). If your opponent knows your strategy (pretty obvious with those cards) they may be able to go slow too with the aim of attacking your G'Roth at range 3.

There wasn't much danger of him moving before Martok could trigger the KBP, my buddy is using a super Picard ball. So my entire fleet got to move before he did. We tried it last night I got close to taking outbthe sphere. I had one ship out of range to shoot so the but I hot it down to 3 hull withe the combo. I like how this worked and think I will try it again. I may change the 4 little ships for 3 bigger ones. It is too easy for the borg shpere to one shot 2 ships a round, especially given that ridiculous range 1 rulling.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:

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csimian wrote:


I did a similar list but broke up my PSF and KBP between two ships with the same captain's skill. If you are relying on Martok to make one ship do the PSF and KBP you risk your target moving out of range between the two actions. I also used LE Kira to give ships Target Lock; but using something like Defense Condition One may work better (Kira doesn't give herself a Target Lock). I was going against Voyager and almost did not take it out. Of course it had more agility (3 with flagship). If your opponent knows your strategy (pretty obvious with those cards) they may be able to go slow too with the aim of attacking your G'Roth at range 3.

There wasn't much danger of him moving before Martok could trigger the KBP, my buddy is using a super Picard ball. So my entire fleet got to move before he did. We tried it last night I got close to taking outbthe sphere. I had one ship out of range to shoot so the but I hot it down to 3 hull withe the combo. I like how this worked and think I will try it again. I may change the 4 little ships for 3 bigger ones. It is too easy for the borg shpere to one shot 2 ships a round, especially given that ridiculous range 1 rulling.

True, there is no danger of Picard was piloting the sphere; I was thinking in general terms. I just threw another PSF-KBP list together...

K'Tinga Class
Gowron

Kronos One
Donatra
KBP
McCoy
PSF

IKS Ch'Tang
Martok LE
Alexander

100 points

On the turn you drop the Sphere's shields you can have Gowron with a 6 attack and one re-roll; Donatra with 4 attack and one re-roll; and Martok with 6 attack and can re-roll all dice. Alternatively you could drop Alexander for Invaluable Intelligence.

Here's what I am currently planning for my next week's Tholian Web OP. I am not dead-set on winning so I'll have a little fun with a Sphere that can move twice a turn (maybe prevent opponent's Cloaked Mines) and roll 9 attack dice with Battlestations and one re-roll. And a mine-laying, weaponized RIS Vo is just funny

Sphere 4270
Dukat
Montgomery Scott
Feedback Pulse

RIS Vo
Independent Target Lock Flagship
LE Martok
Additional Weapons Array
Cloaked Mines

In the klingon list you will have to trade Kronos One out for a Kavort. Kronos doesn't have a tech slot so it can't take PSF. The kavort is thd same number of points, has a tech and 1 more hull.

In the other list why bother with the Vo flagship. Put the flagship on the sphere then it can get to 9 attcks all the time. Drop the Vo for the praetus and take 2 cloaked mines and you still have points left over for a good captain.

Yeah, that's what I get for trying something quick and not looking at the upgrade slots carefully. Actually you'd need the Koraga for the 2nd crew spot.

The reason for the Flagship on the Vo is to give the Sphere an extra move after a Captain Skill of 9 on a Klingon ship (take that Picard/Voyager). The hope is to move into the center to make deploying mines difficult and to be very maneuverable to try and get out of other firing arcs if possible.

The other variant I had was a more Borg Sphere with Ass Tubes and regular Martok on the Vo. That way the Sphere could use the Ass Tubes every turn by re-enabling them with Martok's free action. But it simply lacked the firepower.

Transwarp drive or Romulan Pilot might work must just as well.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Transwarp drive or Romulan Pilot might work must just as well.

Yeah. But I do like the idea of getting two moves almost every turn. And the Vo would be hard to hit when cloaked and has a decent attack with the Additional Weapons Array. Its a toss up. But since I don't care about the Tholian ship that much, my two moves a turn might be more fun to play.

I right there with you. I don't want to get trashed but I won't be wasting any tears if I don't get a tholian ship. It is up there with the Akorem for usefulness.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
I right there with you. I don't want to get trashed but I won't be wasting any tears if I don't get a tholian ship. It is up there with the Akorem for usefulness.

At least the Akorem came with cards that can be useful. I usually only get to play OP events; and usually I play competitively. So maybe I'll just try to be a little crazy to have some fun.

True I did want Tahna Los and Blockade from the Akorem. The Tholian ships is the first prize ship I have only been meh over.

Yeah with my crazy work schedule OPs is about all I make it to. The past 2 months my buddy and I have been having attack wing night at the local store, but my schedule will change in July so it will end that for 4 months. Every once in a while I can con my wife into playing, but that takes some doing these days. I think I burned her out on our 600pt game.

What is PSF?

600 pts is a lot. I've only conned my wife into a small game; Kirk vs Khan. She had the USS Enterprise, Kirk, Scotty, Spock, etc and I had Khan and Co on the USS Reliant. I made sure she had the statistical advantage and she won.

I may be able to get her to play again if I point out that I played her "Marrying Mr. Darcy" card game based on Pride and Predjudice three times since. The bad part is she'll point out that in fact one once by marrying Mr. Darcy. What can I say? There was whiskey involved.


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 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
What is PSF?

Projected Stasis Field

KBP = Klingon Boarding Party

Ass Tubes = Borg Assimilation Tubules

Ass tubes, lol

Projected Stasis Field is no joke. It is a one use 5 point tech but it makes them disable all shields and they can't attack! It doesn't need a firing arc and is range 1-2. Right now, in my opinion, it is the best thing to combat the borg. It is even better if you can get the bording party off on the same turn. A lot of people don't expect it because not many people buy the G'Roth and they certainly don't expect 2-3 of them.

However you still need the borg in your arc to fire, so that is the trick. But if you can, with no evades, no upgrades, and no attack the borg are flapping in the breeze. Untill you get the upgrades down the borg still aren't very vulnerable. You can easily stack that thing to 24 hit points plus the feedback pulse. There are whole fleets that can't get up to that many hit points. And the pulse cancels all damage going to the borg and throws half of it back to you. Even without evade dice the borg upgradse soak up a lot of damags. 8 points of hull armour and a feedback pulse is more than enough to negate an entire fleets round of shooting and that is if they can get a shot.

Just a fun video batrep with Bioships, Borg, and tribbles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ceMNeaqlQU

Seems like overnight, more then 50% of players are now borg, with a bunch of bioships too.... would be closer to 80% but me and a few other guys literally chose fleets we felt were inferior to our borg ones, simply because we dont want borg vs borg every game.

TBH, Im starting to feel that they really should have added some pts to the borg ships to account for their movement and 360, as paying 2 pts per attribute is all well and good, but 6 attacks on say, a battle ship that cant turn, and only has a 90, is costed the same as 6 attacks on a ship with arguably the best amnuverability in game, and a 360 arc that totally negates any smart/tactical movement from the other player.

Hopefully the next waves actually give every other fleet some effective anti borg stuff on par with stasis feild/ EDT ect

I wouldn't hold my breath on some anti borg stuff in the next wave. A bajoran ship, an Enterprise era Valcon ship and a big borg ship. If anything I expect to see more borg next month.

I know the borg are new and relatively easy to use but I don't like what I am seeing from OP reports. So far for Tholian web reports all reportd have been mixed faction w/ 50% to +50% borg and all top winners are borg. Thats not very encouraging.

I saw a report from Deathwingcrusader's friend where he won an OP3 replay where there was 1borg player. But it sounds like the borg player was new and there was only one of them, so not much to go on there.

My OPs are not until the end of the month so all I can do is wait and suffer from major withdrawal.

Wait, I thought the next wave had NX-01, which had encountered the borg. (ENT: Regeneration)

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Wait, I thought the next wave had NX-01, which had encountered the borg. (ENT: Regeneration)

The NX class comes out in August. June is the Bajoran Interceptor, Borg Tactical Cube, and that big Vulcan ship.

That Vulcan ship could be the one from ST: Legacy, the one who went rogue and studied the borg, etc, came up with some invincibility shield, etc.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
That Vulcan ship could be the one from ST: Legacy, the one who went rogue and studied the borg, etc, came up with some invincibility shield, etc.

I doubt it. From my understanding Wizkids only has licensing for the tv shows and movies, so unless that changes we won't see anything from the expanded universe.

I am actually curious if we will see more from the short lived animated series. The Projected Stasis Field is from that show, More Tribbles More Trouble to be exact. If you look close at the card you can see it is animated. It is actually a good episode, for a somewhat low budget show.

My Tholian OP is tonight and I'm set with the following fleet for fun (switched out Martok for Picard). I do expect to go up against at least one Gigasphere. Against that I will annoy them by running away and hoping for a roll-off at the end of time. Or annoy them so much they come through my Cloaked Mines to get me. I doubt I'll win, but it will be interesting and not expected:

Borg Sphere 4270
Dukat
Montgomery Scott
Feedback Pulse

RIS Vo
Scan Independent Flagaship
Jean Lu Picard
Cloaked Mines
Additional Weapons Array

Wish me luck!


Now that the Arena rules have been posted I'd like to toss out my first fleet idea for that. I figure you can either try to destroy your opponent's ships in 6 turns or play the scenario as it was intended. I expect there will be swarms so destroying all of those fleeing ships in 6 turns may be very difficult.

Romulan Bird of Prey
Toreth

Romulan Science Vessel
Donatra

Romulan Science Vessel
GenKhan
Cloaked Mines

Generic Borg Sphere
Jean Luc Picard

This fleet should have a good balance. I place the mines to one side of the planet and charge with my other ships around the other side. I can have GenKhan be my first Captain on the planet so I have Picard for the first two turns (just in case he gets to shoot). Donatra is last on the planet helping to maximize the attack bonus. The captains will have a total of 31 "hit points"; Picard and GenKhan attack on the 9's; and Toreth and Donatra are decent captain levels. If my opponent's strategy is to destroy my fleet in 6 turns, I can fly the RSV's in opposite directions making it difficult. I should also be able to use actions from the RSV's to give my captains some raw materials.

Thoughts?

I think you web build is good, but I don't care for the Arena fleet. You only get to play 3 rounds before the captains battle begins so you could stack some raw materials on Picard and Kahn but once the captains battle begins Genkahn counts as a 6. You only have 26 hit points there are plenty of builds to get 28-34 hit points. If somebody wins the planet they can pick on you little ships on one side of the board and but the sphere in the far corner of the other avoiding it until time, winning on points. Mines are a bit of a waste in this scenario the winner of the ground battle gets to reset the map, you can bet they will be placing them as far away from action as possible.

I misread a few things. I thought there were 6 mission tokens; but there are only 3. And GenKhan does go to 6 hitpoints because his text is ignored. Have to rethink this.

I am still working on my cross faction list but for faction pure I'm thinking
22 Ch'Tang
06 Martok
20 B'Rel
04 Koloth
20 B'Rel
04 Gowron
20 B'Rel
04 Chang.

28 hit points for cpatains battle and some fire power to back up later. Though it is screwed if I loose on the ground. Klingon ships are toast if someone puts them in the corner.

Theoretical Build for Arena:

Romulan Science Vessel
Donatra

Romulan Science Vessel
LE Martok

Romulan Science Vessel
Kirk
Cloaked Mines

Romulan Science Vessel
Jean Luc Picard

Akorem
Khan (standard version)

Total: 99 points

Captain Hit Points: 41

Potential 75 extra Fleet Points IF all Captains survive.

Bunch of craziness. But it would have a very good chance of winning the ground battle; then place the opposing ships right on the Cloaked Mines in a corner. They would likely be stuck in the mines for two turns.



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I could replace the Akorem and Khan for the named Romulan BoP, 5 pt Plasma Torps and a 1 point Captain. I would lose some hit points but it would a bigger punch and can cloak

But that would be screwed if it was put in a corner...

No 1 pt Romulan Captains. Dangit

Well last night's OP wasn't that great; but not for what you'd expect. It was only me and a relatively new guy who was showing up for free-play (didn't know about the tourney). On average we have about 8 players for a tourney so this was surprising. I think I'll have to hound people and put together an e-mail distribution list. Anyway, on the battle report.

The store owner did not receive the OP Kit from his distributor. So he forgot it was a tourney and not just free-play. I set about cutting strips of paper ferverently (32 strips per table). When the start time came I had 2.5 tables worth of paper strips and decided if latecomers came they could do the arts and crafts.

My opponent took some time to make his fleet since he wasn't expecting a scenario. He fielded a single ship: Voyager. This is what I remember from his list:

Voyager
Flagship (Independet Battlestations)
Transphasic Torps
Quantum Torps
Sulu
Tom Paris
Cloaking Device
Miles O'Brien (starter set)

After the first turn I had set my Cloaked Mines in the middle of the board. We ended up dancing around them. Using my Sensor Echo and extra move for the Sphere, I was able to dance out of Voyagers Forward, Rear, and out of his 360 deg Range. On my third shot with my Sphere, I rolled well and he did not. Just had enough hits to blow up Voyager; game over. It was very anticlimatic.

We then decided to play a casual game. I asked what type of fleet he wanted me to play (competitive or more casual), He said it was OK to be competitive. I didn't want to scare him away (hence the question) but I figured he could probably hold his own and needed to know what to expect in OP events. So I went with a 3 Klingon Ship fleet with Picard, Gowron, and Dukat along with Barrage of Fire. He had the Koranak with Cloak, Tetryon Emissions and Dorsal Array; Vorcha with Picard; and the Hideki Fighters. It was a slug fest. At the end it was my Maht-H'A with Dukat vs the Hidekis. I was able to outmaneuver them and he mistakenly put himself into a bad situation where he would go off the map the following turn. I was able to put him out of his misery with the final shot taking them out.

The store owner and I talked about what to do about the tourney. We decided we will reschedule about a month later and try to contact all the regulars. This would put us about a month behind the OP schedule but help ensure we get the OP Kit in time for them (this has been a problem in the past as well). He said since we showed up and I won, that I would get the judge's Tholian Ship. Or if I won the tourney next time I would get the Tholian ship prize; so either way I get one Tholian Ship. Now I get to make a fun list. I'm thinking of something geared to fight the Borg (I expect they will be plentiful).


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Anti-Swarm Arena Build

Borg Sphere 4270
Independent Evade Flagship
Jean Luc Picard
Once More Unto the Breach
Spock
Romulan Pilot
Transwarp
Antiproton Scan

Romulan Science Vessel
Kirk

100 points

First Turn:

Movement:

The Sphere can move 6 forward and use the Romulan Pilot to move ahead 3. This can place the front of its base 21.6" down the map. Assuming the planet is no more than 6" in diameter, the planet should not be blocking LOS to most targets.

The RSV will move slowly toward the planet; head-on

Actions:

The Sphere will have a Scan token from the Romulan Pilot. Picard will give it another Scan token. The ship's action will be Once More Unto the Breach. The double scan will allow Spock to change Battlestations to Hits on every attack that round; subtract 2 defense dice from every attack; and if any target is cloaked or has no shields (Bajoran Interceptors) then each get a +1 attack die against them. If any are within Range 1; another attack die is added. Once More Unto the Breach lets me make two attacks with the Primary Weapon which can each be split by the Sphere's ability. Against a swarm I would likely focus just on two ships to make sure I destroy them.

The RSV would cloak and Kirk would be placed on the planet.

Second Turn:

Sphere would focus on destroying a third ship.

RSV would give Kirk a Battlestations token.

Third Turn:

Rinse and Repeat.

Hopefully destroy up to 4 ships and then beat them at the ground battle (a la Generations) and still have a Borg Sphere to mop them up at the end.

I like your strategy. But the problem I see is that someone can see what you plan to do and avoid you for 3 turns. Then you are left with only 2 captains and 18 hit points for the captains battle. It is not difficult to get 26-34 hit points worth of captains. Even Picard & Kirk won't last long to that.

If you lose the ground fight the opponent gets to reset the board and 15 points for each captain that survived. They can put your sphere in one corner block it a little with the planet then put your science vessel in opposite diagonal corner. It will only take 2-3 ships to take out the science vessel. The person then has their captain points + points for the science vessel it will not be hard to avoid the sphere until time is called and the will win on points. You have to figure that the first 3 turns and the ground fight will take roughly 30 minutes and they can take a few more to reset the board leaving less that 30 to play it out.


For a different scenario like OP3 this build would wreck, but I think you need at least 3 captains for this one. Even if it is a 0 point level 1 to soak up damage from a good roll. The sphere is built to clean house but a those points might wind up doing jack in the end.

I'm going to test this out with a swarm spread out in their deployment zone. I'll place the Sphere last so they have to be dispersed to begin with. I'll report back on my observations


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There ate only a couple of ways the sphere cannot get a shot in the first round; the opposing ships move laterally along the map edge of their deployment zone, they are using ships with a later initiative order and a captain skill of 9, they do the fomer with PSF. Otherwise I should be able to get shoot at least one ship

Please do. I think the Arena may pose a short lived challenge for the sphere builds. It will be interesting to see how they deal with it.