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2015/12/01 04:31:42
Subject: Russian jet shot down in Turkish/Syrian Airspace
Iron_Captain wrote: On the other hand, "US inventing ebola" is completely off-topic, ridiculous and I really do not see where you are getting that from. Your arguments are getting stranger and stranger...
For someone who espouses that Russian news outlets are reliable, you don't seem to know much about them.
Calling something irrelevant doesn't actually make it irrelevant (especially not when it's completely relevant). I think the word you actually want is 'inconvenient.'
I completely fail to see your argument, and therefore will assume you are just rambling at his point. Therefore, my counterargument will consist of this song about pancakes:
Seriously, I can't see any sense in this. You still did not explain the relevance of the US supposedly inventing ebola to Turkish violations of Greek airspace.
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2015/12/01 04:34:40
Subject: Russian jet shot down in Turkish/Syrian Airspace
Let's not forget that Greece and Turkey are so-called Arch-enemies. Whatever area of sea or air one wants to monitor the other wants to monitor too. Hopefully from a safe distance, but they've actually had fighter jets collide in the air since neither wants to back down from their traditional enemy.
Was really fun to go for dinner with a Turkish couple living here - they're really relaxed on alcohol and unclean food. But when one guy said the salad looked like "Greek salad" the Turkish man went ballistic. NO! It's TURKISH SALAD, the Greeks just stole it from us!
2015/12/01 04:51:46
Subject: Russian jet shot down in Turkish/Syrian Airspace
Therefore, my counterargument will consist of this song about pancakes:
I do like IHOP, though I often wonder if they really are international. I mean, they only have like, 1 location outside the US and Canada. I feel like calling themselves international is some kind of lie.
You still did not explain the relevance of the US supposedly inventing ebola to Turkish violations of Greek airspace.
I was referring to a famous RT report that ran in RT America and RT Spain (Could have sworn we had a thread on this) which claimed the US invented Ebola. Their source? Some guy.
The point was that just because X claims Y, does not mean Y is true or that X is honest. Further, reporting that Y is true in spite of obvious (one might say relevant) information to the contrary is a lie. Knowing that Russia today had previously pushed a lie that Turkey was violating Greek air space, as if it was some kind of sure thing, I proposed that RT simply changed what it considered an air space violation (especially given that the only source for any of these claims is RT. All other news outlets trace the story back to them).
Iron_Captain wrote: On the other hand, "US inventing ebola" is completely off-topic, ridiculous and I really do not see where you are getting that from. Your arguments are getting stranger and stranger...
For someone who espouses that Russian news outlets are reliable, you don't seem to know much about them.
Calling something irrelevant doesn't actually make it irrelevant (especially not when it's completely relevant). I think the word you actually want is 'inconvenient.'
So your only counter argument is ad hominem?
"It's a Russian News outlet, so it's automatically wrong".
Iron Captain makes reasoned arguments backed up by sources (which aren't Russian), and you can't help but constantly bring up his nationality...frankly it's tedious.
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2015/12/01 06:57:43
Subject: Russian jet shot down in Turkish/Syrian Airspace
International law is not a 40k rule book. There is no RAW or RAI. They're RAN (Rules as Negotiated). Negotiations are ongoing. Ignoring that is lying (i.e. creating a myth).
To be fair, that sounds EXACTLY like a 40k rule book. Forge the narrative!
Iron_Captain wrote: On the other hand, "US inventing ebola" is completely off-topic, ridiculous and I really do not see where you are getting that from. Your arguments are getting stranger and stranger...
For someone who espouses that Russian news outlets are reliable, you don't seem to know much about them.
Calling something irrelevant doesn't actually make it irrelevant (especially not when it's completely relevant). I think the word you actually want is 'inconvenient.'
So your only counter argument is ad hominem?
"It's a Russian News outlet, so it's automatically wrong".
Iron Captain makes reasoned arguments backed up by sources (which aren't Russian), and you can't help but constantly bring up his nationality...frankly it's tedious.
How is holding Turkey to a treaty they haven't signed a "reasoned argument"?
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2015/12/01 07:13:54
Subject: Russian jet shot down in Turkish/Syrian Airspace
I tend to find RT and Sputnik (they're the big ones I pay attention to) about on par with Fox News and the National Inquirer respectively. The former isn't always wrong, but it very happily downplays inconvenient facts or pretends they don't exist to push it's point. The later is entertaining for applying tabloid reporting to things other than Tom Cruise's love life and questions about whether or not Elvis is still alive. And between programming about conspiracy theories and political propaganda, RT actually puts out some fun stuff now and then. Loved that time they slammed Glenn Beck
My issue with most Russian news I see is that it takes "everyone has a bias" to the point "being completely biased is fine." That doesn't make them wrong all the time, but it results in mountains of slanted and inaccurate reporting including dedicating hours of air time to conspiracy theories. For those exact reasons, they are not "just as reliable" as Iron Captain said earlier in this thread. Everyone has bias, but not all bias is equal. In this matter, RT has been extremely biased.
Iron Captain makes reasoned arguments backed up by sources (which aren't Russian)
You and I have very different ideas about what constitutes reason. Further, this is the article linked that started this current talk; https://www.rt.com/news/323861-turkey-greek-airspace-violations/. The only other link he's made in support of that article actually invalidates it's first line, as Greece claimed two airspace violations on the 27, and 4 on the 26th. It in fact, records 1 violations on the 25th while the linked RT article claims 6. So yes. The linked article is, according to other linked information, immediately unreliable. EDIT: Nope. Reading this bit wrong.
and you can't help but constantly bring up his nationality...
He linked a news article from Russia Today, which I haven't really hidden my distaste for as a news source. Not once have I mentioned his nationality. Do you assume someone is insulting Americans every time they criticize MSNBC or Fox News?
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: To be fair, that sounds EXACTLY like a 40k rule book. Forge the narrative!
Oh ho ho. What you did there. I see it
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