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PiñaColada wrote:

I still think there's another new type of vehicle in the box, to match the yellow one from the artwork. Problem is that one doesn't really seem armed, or at least not to the same degree, but it'd seem weird to me that they have a vehicle on the boxart not included in the box itself. Maybe it has some sort of flyer bomb mechanic, where if you drive past an enemy unit within a certain amount of inches you deal mortal wounds..

Therefore I think it is.
Team 1: 1 buggy & 3 warbikes
Team 2: 1 buggy & 1 mystery vehicle

Looks to me like there's both yellow and red warbikes.

It's hard to say from the blurry photo but the red buggy sprue seems to be the design from the Commercial while the yellow sprue looks different with a much shorter wheelbase vehicle. There appears to be another sprue (the one being held up), which looks different again although it's hard to say.

Really looking like a good set to me.

The yellow sprue under the top red one is most certainly another bike sprue, you can see the air intake in the front and wheels.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I've seen people saying that the box will include standard bikers, but apart from the bases I don't see anything to support that. There are no bikes that I can see on the box art and no visible pieces in the images showing the sprues. Am I missing something?

There is a bonus photo a few pages back with a red bike sprue, and probably a yellow bike sprue under it.

Ninja'd, of course.

Yeah, it looks like the sprue yellow right underneath the red bike sprue is a bike sprue as well.

So far we have at least three buggies, barricades and six bikes in there. Not bad.

Looks like 2 sets of bikes and 2 buggies, plus the ramps/terrain. Should be the in the £50-£70 price band for stand alone games then, the savings made would be made up for on the old kits being included having paid of the moulds long ago.

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

And yet it's more brittle, with the exception of AoS gold, which might be softer. From the first use of colored plastic in recent history, to my knowledge Space Hulk 2007, to the current starters and easy to builds, it's harder and more brittle, and no amount of "it's just a dye" theorycrafting will convince me otherwise without lab stress tests.

Since the grey is ALSO a dye your conspiracy theory doesn't really hold water.

"Dyed plastic is more brittle than dyed plastic". Yeah right.

It was absolutely true for Space Hulk plastic. I don't know if it is because of the dye, but it is different. Harder and more brittle. However, I don't think the newer coloured plastic kits have the same issue.

At least for the Death Guard ETB models, there is zero difference between grey and green plastic.

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Looks like 2 sets of bikes and 2 buggies, plus the ramps/terrain. Should be the in the £50-£70 price band for stand alone games then, the savings made would be made up for on the old kits being included having paid of the moulds long ago.

Where are people seeing bikes? The yellow sprue? Because there's some big pieces on there I don't recognize from building warbikes.

 Jidmah wrote:
At least for the Death Guard ETB models, there is zero difference between grey and green plastic.

Grey Plastic is also dyed. Just a nice designer grey for good contrast. HIPS is transparent in its "basic state".

 Jidmah wrote:
At least for the Death Guard ETB models, there is zero difference between grey and green plastic.

Yep. It is the Space Hulk which originates the weird coloured plastic thing, and many people assume it applies to all coloured plastic. But for all we know, the SH plastic being different has nothing to do with being coloured, they may have used different kind of plastic for some other reason.

tneva82 wrote:

Since the grey is ALSO a dye your conspiracy theory doesn't really hold water.

"Dyed plastic is more brittle than dyed plastic". Yeah right.

10 years or my own empirical observation across dozens of kits versus one internet know-it-all talking out of their bum, who will win?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Since the grey is ALSO a dye your conspiracy theory doesn't really hold water.

"Dyed plastic is more brittle than dyed plastic". Yeah right.

10 years or my own empirical observation across dozens of kits versus one internet know-it-all talking out of their bum, who will win?

Not you, if your own empirical observations suffer from confirmation bias.

Fact is, GW's plastic (or any HIPS anywhere in the world) isn't grey unless they add grey dye (which has also slightly changed and used to be a lighter shade a decade ago). You can even see some (milky) transparent Space Marines cast without dye at Warhammer World.

Space Hulk sprues aren't worse or more brittle than other GW plastics from the same time.

30 years of using coloured plastic and have only had problem with grey and ivory plastic (from other manufacturers)

I've built a bunch of Kill Team stuff (Core Set, Sector Mechanicus, Ork Team). The plastic is identical to normal GW grey plastic except for the colour.

Space Hulk is a different thing altogether, but it seems more likely that Speed Freaks would use the Kill Team production method from last month rather than the Space Hulk one from 5+ years ago.

If they are updating the buggy how about the wartrakk?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Since the grey is ALSO a dye your conspiracy theory doesn't really hold water.

"Dyed plastic is more brittle than dyed plastic". Yeah right.

10 years or my own empirical observation across dozens of kits versus one internet know-it-all talking out of their bum, who will win?

Funny thing that goes reverse. Why should i believe your word vs real life examples combined with simple physics?

 Kanluwen wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Looks like 2 sets of bikes and 2 buggies, plus the ramps/terrain. Should be the in the £50-£70 price band for stand alone games then, the savings made would be made up for on the old kits being included having paid of the moulds long ago.

Where are people seeing bikes? The yellow sprue? Because there's some big pieces on there I don't recognize from building warbikes.

The red sprue and yellow sprue shown on the previous page quite clearly show warbikes.

only thing about the colored plastic that urks me is the dust that comes from filing the sprue tags down is a LOT more noticable when it gets stuck on your shirt/pants lol.
Its not like that color affects the painting process. They turn black just like any other model when primed.

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Since the grey is ALSO a dye your conspiracy theory doesn't really hold water.

"Dyed plastic is more brittle than dyed plastic". Yeah right.

10 years or my own empirical observation across dozens of kits versus one internet know-it-all talking out of their bum, who will win?

Funny thing that goes reverse. Why should i believe your word vs real life examples combined with simple physics?

You're not using any physics, just assumptions based on what you think you know about injection molding. It's an easy test. GW makes starter set AoS Khorne sprues in both gray and red. Go nuts.

Trafalgar Law wrote:

Looks to me like there's both yellow and red warbikes.

It's hard to say from the blurry photo but the red buggy sprue seems to be the design from the Commercial while the yellow sprue looks different with a much shorter wheelbase vehicle. There appears to be another sprue (the one being held up), which looks different again although it's hard to say.

Really looking like a good set to me.

You might be right about the yellow vehicle and you're definitely right about the bikes. I do sort of assume all vehicles in this box will fall under the warbuggy datasheets but maybe we get to see a few different builds..

Also since there seems to be at least 3 buggies and 6 bikes in the box I wonder if there's another buggy in there. So 2 buggies and 3 warbikes each or if the content is asymmetrical from a team perspective. Meaning team 1 has 2 buggies and a bike and team 2 has one buggy and 5 bikes. Although That wouldn't mesh with the color coding..

 lord_blackfang wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

Since the grey is ALSO a dye your conspiracy theory doesn't really hold water.

"Dyed plastic is more brittle than dyed plastic". Yeah right.

10 years or my own empirical observation across dozens of kits versus one internet know-it-all talking out of their bum, who will win?

Funny thing that goes reverse. Why should i believe your word vs real life examples combined with simple physics?

You're not using any physics, just assumptions based on what you think you know about injection molding. It's an easy test. GW makes starter set AoS Khorne sprues in both gray and red. Go nuts.

You are the one claiming what everybody else disagrees. Onus is on you. I don't waste money on aos crap. But yeah whatever. Keep believing your conspirasy theories. Grey dye less brittle than others. Lol. Well joke a day is good

Mr Insomniac wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

warl0rdb0b wrote:
Looks like 2 sets of bikes and 2 buggies, plus the ramps/terrain. Should be the in the £50-£70 price band for stand alone games then, the savings made would be made up for on the old kits being included having paid of the moulds long ago.

Where are people seeing bikes? The yellow sprue? Because there's some big pieces on there I don't recognize from building warbikes.

The red sprue and yellow sprue shown on the previous page quite clearly show warbikes.

Yeah, shame that this image isn't in the OP:


That's what was throwing me.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
You're not using any physics, just assumptions based on what you think you know about injection molding. It's an easy test. GW makes starter set AoS Khorne sprues in both gray and red. Go nuts.

I've got genestealer cult in grey and from the kill team box, haven't had the slightest issues with the funny colored ones. Hey everyone else who bought killteam, any issues?

Maybe take the discussion of quality of coloured sprues to another thread chaps?

 BrookM wrote:
Maybe take the discussion of quality of coloured sprues to another thread chaps?

Too right!

In terms of contents we have pretty much confirmed from the sprue pics;

2 sets of 3 Warbikes in yellow and red.
1 new, red Buggy "Hotrod".
1 new, yellow *something* "Speedster".
Black sprue of terrain.

The remaining cars from the front not yet seen is the (presumably) yellow one exploding on the front in the background (with ram on front) and the red one side to side with the speedster yellow one.

Thoughts?

How many dolla 4 dis?

 Ratius wrote:
How many dolla 4 dis?

given the model count and the amount of discount in most boxes I would expect your currency equivalent of forgebane.

Whilst I am VERY excited by the new buggies and everything that may come with them. I'm not looking forward to "the Primaris effect" it will have on my existing Speed Freeks.

I think the Ork line is a little more forgiving, but there are already some big size discrepancies between some of my Ork bikers and older Gorka Morka models I own as part of the army. I've converted some of the old Trukks to buggies, but the size is quite noticeable.

I hope the new models don't make my considerable force redundant.

 Ratius wrote:
How many dolla 4 dis?

Unknown, maybe a price drop this weekend, but I doubt it.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
In terms of contents we have pretty much confirmed from the sprue pics;

2 sets of 3 Warbikes in yellow and red.
1 new, red Buggy "Hotrod".
1 new, yellow *something* "Speedster".
Black sprue of terrain.

The remaining cars from the front not yet seen is the (presumably) yellow one exploding on the front in the background (with ram on front) and the red one side to side with the speedster yellow one.

Thoughts?

Seems about right. I'm kind of baffled by the apparently unarmed yellow vehicle and the fact that the two sides seem to have very different buggies (or whatever they are), but that's what I'm looking at. Also seems a bit odd that the bikes aren't on the front cover. I guess there might be one over on the piece which isn't visible.

It will be interesting to see how the two colored buggy sprues interact with the full kit. I don't think there is any precedent for two different sprues for essentially the same unit. Are these unique to the box set? Will they combine with something else to form the "full" buggy kit?