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 Mr Morden wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
Beautiful models, glad to see Orks are getting something worth the wait... meanwhile Space Wolves are up for pre-order in less then a week and nothing... makes me mildly concerned their codex is gonna be a cold fish

Space Wolves are getting their own box set AND Primaris Marines if not more (certianly as always more than most factions). In terms of rules they are always Marines +1 - one of the major problems with Balancing Marines

The amount of flak Sisters players get for ever daring to mention that their faction is still neglected and yet Marine players constantly complain.............

Really cool looking buggy for the Orks is a great step forward - more concerned about how much it will cost.

I'm not complaining about the lack of new Model Morden, to be blunt on the model department we're getting EXACTLY what I expected. my concern is the lack of any previews of chapoter tactics stratigiums etc makes a part of me fear (proably unfairly) that there's nothing to be excited about

Yeah I have to admit I'm surprised about the Woofs.

Really did think that with the coming of the out-of-scale Marines, they'd get a few unique kits and not just a conversion kit and an HQ. Thought there'd be more to 'em.

Oh well, the Ork range will very nearly be complete. Just need a plastic Warboss that isn't in a hard-to-find beginners box, ditto for Koptaz, a plastic Megaboss and... plastic Tankbustaz/Kommandoz.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I have to admit I'm surprised about the Woofs.

Really did think that with the coming of the out-of-scale Marines, they'd get a few unique kits and not just a conversion kit and an HQ. Thought there'd be more to 'em.

Oh well, the Ork range will very nearly be complete. Just need a plastic Warboss that isn't in a hard-to-find beginners box, ditto for Koptaz, a plastic Megaboss and... plastic Tankbustaz/Kommandoz.

I'm not suprised by this, GW I think wants wave 1 of Primaris to be the basic Primaris troops. there's been a lot of issues with marines and "why can't we have X?" whnever one marine codex gets something etc. that tends to lead to marines +1 etc. GW proably wants to ensure the primaris CORE to be the same, more or less.

Cool new buggy!

I've seen people saying that the box will include standard bikers, but apart from the bases I don't see anything to support that. There are no bikes that I can see on the box art and no visible pieces in the images showing the sprues. Am I missing something?

I'm also unable to make out any details on the black 'barricade' sprues. Not sure if others are better at interpreting blurry photos than me, there are images I haven't seen or it's just a matter of people seeing shapes in clouds.

What I can see is that the box art shows three different vehicles, with two styles of body (oddly both in the same colour - would have expected one of each body in each colour of sprue) and three different front pieces. The yellow buggy with a spoiler doesn't have visible weapons and the red one next to it seems to have something a little different to the one in front, but still not looking much like a double big shoota or a rack of rokkits.

There does seem to be a rack of rokkits on the yellow sprue we have seen and the red and yellow sprues are obviously not duplicates of each other. At a guess, there will be copies of those sprues in the other colour in the box, meaning four of those sprues (which seem to make one buggy each) in the box.

I must say that I'm pretty pleased to see a game set in the 40k universe which isn't all about war. I'm sure that violence will play a big part, but this is basically about racing. I've long felt that the constant emphasis on 'only war' really restricted the stories which could be told in the setting and it's good to have something which is a bit different.

I really hope that the prices aren't too steep. The recent ork models have mostly been phenomenal, but the cost was just too high for me to justify buying a lot of them. If this box comes with four buggies and six bikers for a RRP of £75 or less, I'll probably pick up several copies. I generally find that scrounging bits to make a decent buggy seems to cost about £10, so they need to be going for only a bit more than that.

There is a picture floating around of red biker sprues in the box.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I've seen people saying that the box will include standard bikers, but apart from the bases I don't see anything to support that. There are no bikes that I can see on the box art and no visible pieces in the images showing the sprues. Am I missing something?

I think you've missed this sharper image:



It shows bikes on the red sprue

Many thanks, was just digging through the thread for that one!

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I've seen people saying that the box will include standard bikers, but apart from the bases I don't see anything to support that. There are no bikes that I can see on the box art and no visible pieces in the images showing the sprues. Am I missing something?

There is a bonus photo a few pages back with a red bike sprue, and probably a yellow bike sprue under it.

Ninja'd, of course.

I think GW has perhaps become a little too fond of their coloured plastic technology.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think GW has perhaps become a little too fond of their coloured plastic technology.

eh I dunno, they've been using it reasonably intelligently thus far. when they start deploying it across ALL 40k products THEN we can say that.

It's a smart move for these one-offs and starters though, you can just assemble and play, with your faction being colour coded for convenience.

I am not too fond of colored plastic. No matter what the know it alls say about all dyes being equal, the plastic is more brittle.

Is using a different colour of dye "technology" now? They used to use all sorts of different colours of plastic over 20 years ago; the infantry in Space Marine came in blue and green with bases in black, grey, brown and a different green, the titans in Adeptus Titanicus were blue and red - or sometimes grey and red, I've seen RTB01 Marines in blue and green, the Warhammer Regiments models came in white, Blood Bowl had blue humans, green orcs, orange elves and yellow dwarves, Space Hulk came in blue, with some grey and red bases. Some sprues (most RTB01 sprues, the Rhino, Land Raider and Predator and the Librarian/hybrid sprue from Deathwing came in beige, while accessories (arms, shields) and some other kits (Imperial Guard, Orks, Squats) were grey - with the occasional bits (the elven spears sprue, for example, and some shields) were black. The 10mm Battle of the Five Armies came in a variety of colours, too.

The examples you're giving are from 20+ years ago. This recent rainbowsplosion of coloured plastic first started around that Scout/'Stealer patrol game, and has been ramping up ever since.

I get why they're doing it, and I understand the practicalities of it, but it seems like it's happening everywhere now.

I think there’s yellow bikes there too. So two buggies, 6 bikes and scatter terrain. I’m in.

Yes, I know. I said that, didn't I? Although it really started with Space Hulk in 2009 I was just commenting that it's nothing new.

Does it really bother people? I mean, once you prime them, who can tell what colour the plastic was?

Colour doesn't matter much to me, but I hope the bikes aren't used to bump the box price 20£ higher or something. While cool, they're not 4 wheeled Mad Max deathmachines with spikes! And available everywhere, too.

Really interested in the game itself now. A frantic racing game with a smattering of combat might be enjoyable to a range of people not usually wargaming. And probably easier to get them into than even GorkaMorka. Which one could also play with the models in the Ork range - and some creative use of the GSC models for diggaz and Nurgle for Muties.

The way Hastings describes the full buggy kit sounds really expensive, though. Mek Gun expensive or worse. But with spare wheels and tracks and guns I expect additional buggies from left overs bits and plastic card being a possibility.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I am not too fond of colored plastic. No matter what the know it alls say about all dyes being equal, the plastic is more brittle.

If it's more brittle it's not just colour but plastic itself that has been changed but GW hasn't habit of doing that. They just colour them.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Is using a different colour of dye "technology" now? They used to use all sorts of different colours of plastic over 20 years ago; the infantry in Space Marine came in blue and green with bases in black, grey, brown and a different green, the titans in Adeptus Titanicus were blue and red - or sometimes grey and red, I've seen RTB01 Marines in blue and green, the Warhammer Regiments models came in white, Blood Bowl had blue humans, green orcs, orange elves and yellow dwarves, Space Hulk came in blue, with some grey and red bases. Some sprues (most RTB01 sprues, the Rhino, Land Raider and Predator and the Librarian/hybrid sprue from Deathwing came in beige, while accessories (arms, shields) and some other kits (Imperial Guard, Orks, Squats) were grey - with the occasional bits (the elven spears sprue, for example, and some shields) were black. The 10mm Battle of the Five Armies came in a variety of colours, too.

The plastic GW use is white normally, the common grey colour is apparently a dye too. Coloured plastic is something GW has always done, it just becomes more noticeable with more self-contained boxed games / starter sets. When you have games like Speed Freeks, Kill Team or Blood Bowl it makes sense for the plastic to be in 'team' colours so it's much easier to play as soon as the models are assembled without needing paint. There's no need to do that for regular plastic kits, so they're still grey.

I just don't want to prime over obnoxious red and yellow plastic.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I just don't want to prime over obnoxious red and yellow plastic.

yeah the coloured plastic is a bit annoying, I was priming some primaris marines from know no fear, the "The Fang" blue I was using as my primer was, when wet almost exactly the colour of the blue of the minis I had to be VERY careful

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I am not too fond of colored plastic. No matter what the know it alls say about all dyes being equal, the plastic is more brittle.

If it's more brittle it's not just colour but plastic itself that has been changed but GW hasn't habit of doing that. They just colour them.

And yet it's more brittle, with the exception of AoS gold, which might be softer. From the first use of colored plastic in recent history, to my knowledge Space Hulk 2007, to the current starters and easy to builds, it's harder and more brittle, and no amount of "it's just a dye" theorycrafting will convince me otherwise without lab stress tests.

So what? I have that problem using grey primer over grey plastic.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I am not too fond of colored plastic. No matter what the know it alls say about all dyes being equal, the plastic is more brittle.

If it's more brittle it's not just colour but plastic itself that has been changed but GW hasn't habit of doing that. They just colour them.

And yet it's more brittle, with the exception of AoS gold, which might be softer. From the first use of colored plastic in recent history, to my knowledge Space Hulk 2007, to the current starters and easy to builds, it's harder and more brittle, and no amount of "it's just a dye" theorycrafting will convince me otherwise without lab stress tests.

Since the grey is ALSO a dye your conspiracy theory doesn't really hold water.

"Dyed plastic is more brittle than dyed plastic". Yeah right.

The ductility of GW's plastic can vary - it seems they don't always add the same amount of hardener to the mix every time.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
So what? I have that problem using grey primer over grey plastic.

ohh yeah it's not a problem, just it was mildly annoying. that said It's a "mild annoyinace" I'll happily deal with if some of the packs with the coloured plastic in it happen to be just what I need for my army.

Holy hell.

Why y'all talking about the different brittleness(?) of coloured plastic when you could be speculating about the awesome contents of the box!?

Is anyone else tempted to use some of the terrain on their base for the buggies (especially if there's ramps!)?

Are we reckoning there's 6 Bikes and 2 Buggies or have they snuck in another Buggy or 2?

I wonder if it'll be worth waiting for the standalone "full" buggy release based on what Hastings said?!

So many questions that aren't around how brittle plastic is!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Holy hell.

Why y'all talking about the different brittleness(?) of coloured plastic when you could be speculating about the awesome contents of the box!?

Is anyone else tempted to use some of the terrain on their base for the buggies (especially if there's ramps!)?

Are we reckoning there's 6 Bikes and 2 Buggies or have they snuck in another Buggy or 2?

I wonder if it'll be worth waiting for the standalone "full" buggy release based on what Hastings said?!

So many questions that aren't around how brittle plastic is!

I still think there's another new type of vehicle in the box, to match the yellow one from the artwork. Problem is that one doesn't really seem armed, or at least not to the same degree, but it'd seem weird to me that they have a vehicle on the boxart not included in the box itself. Maybe it has some sort of flyer bomb mechanic, where if you drive past an enemy unit within a certain amount of inches you deal mortal wounds..

Therefore I think it is.
Team 1: 1 buggy & 3 warbikes
Team 2: 1 buggy & 1 mystery vehicle

on coloroed plastic... it will look the same as grey plastic under vallejo black primer... soo not a concern for me