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Okay, I've said it before, I've returned after 19 years and found many things changed. I love it. Despite being able to field around 2500 to 3000 points in SM(all infantry), I chose to return with orks. I'm starting to look into my marines again, however, and have some questions.

My marines(minus the AOBR set) are all older Mark 6 Corvus armor, or "Beakies" if you will.

Back in the days, marines didn't wear backpacks. I still have an old box for them, and those packs are listed as "Jet Packs".

Can I use these on my old models as Jump Packs to make them Jump infantry? It should technically be legal, because that's what it originally was, and these are GW/Citadel miniatures.

How about miniatures that no longer represent what the units can carry?

Chaplain with a power sword? I know the rules for the weapon are the same, but they're automatically outfitted with Crozius Arcanums these days.

How about my old(Gorkamorka I think) Tankbustas? They have pistols and tankbusta bombs. In a tournament are they still considered to have rokkit launchas?

I have a lot of these minis.
In a friendly game there shouldnt be too much of an issue as long as you clearly state what it is your minis are supposed to represnt.

It's always nice to do some conversions though getting some standard backpacks/jumpacks shouldnt be an issue.

And, as always, if you want to enter a tourny ask your tournament organiser for guidance.

If they are clearly distinct from normal back packs and you note them out as such when you play then I would not have too much of a problem.

Regards the models that do not reflect exactly what they have in the rules - standard load outs do not have to be modelled - for example CSM have a bolter, bolt pistol and CCW as standard, but it would look silly to model all that on everyone, so most people just stick with showing 2 weapons. No strictly WYSIWYG, but their standard kit is fixed.

You only really need to model upgrades.

For tournament play, contact the TO ahead of time to ask if they would be OK with older style models being used. Most probably will be, some may not.

As far as the backpacks are concerned they look the same. They USED to be jetpacks, but are now just standard jump packs and the old flight packs are now jump packs.

I can completely see the confusion it would cause, and for ease, I would say that I shouldn't claim them as jump packs.

I was just mainly wondering if the rules would support me going with Jump packs. If so, I'd be sorely tempted to repaint them all crimson fists.....no packs for tactical and dreadnought, and adding them for assault marines.

Uh I was pretty sure the beakies did have backpacks... but if I'm wrong then you should go for it, nothing like doing old school right.

The old beakies did have "jet packs" but these were used for manoeuvring in zero gee - they were not like current jump packs.

Back then they had "flight packs" with turbines which acted like current jump packs.

So, no. The old "jet packs" are not in any way equivalent to the current jump packs. They're the standard backpack that all marine wear, just as they do now.

(also, do note that jump packs and jet packs are not the same thing at all in the current rules)

I can't find a model of a space marine without a backpack of some description. I've been playing since 2nd ed and collecting since before then. Even the Mark I Thunder armour is depicted with a back pack, and the commonly sold pack of 30 models had them.

If your point is that the box labelled them as jet packs, I think you'd struggle to justify using them as jump packs. They are all but indistinguishable in appearance from standard backpacks and, if we're being picky, the space marines don't have access to a piece of equipment called a "jet pack". I seem to remember some concept sketches of power armour being released recently, in which the (normal) backpack had "stabilising jets", so maybe this is where the idea first came from.

With regard to using them, I think the general rule is that it has to be a GW model on the base it came with. If a model is clearly one type of unit (such as a chaplain), then I'd let you field it as such, with all the basic rules for that unit. To be honest, as it's a GW model on a GW base, I think an opponent would be hard pressed to argue otherwise, unless you are playing strict WYSIWYG.

The tankbustas is a trickier one. I think your opponent might be able to argue this case - it depends if this models have ever been codex-legal tankbustas for 40K, or whether you are importing models from a different game. I didn't play with the last ork codex, so wouldn't know. Either way, you should clarify that one with your opponent, out of courtesy if nothing else.

Brother Taurinus wrote:Can I use these on my old models as Jump Packs to make them Jump infantry? It should technically be legal, because that's what it originally was, and these are GW/Citadel miniatures.

As stated, the old jet pack is what is now just a regular backpack. Jump Packs are (and were back then) something different.

Chaplain with a power sword? I know the rules for the weapon are the same, but they're automatically outfitted with Crozius Arcanums these days.

It makes no practical difference, since a Crozius is just a power weapon in the current rules.

How about my old(Gorkamorka I think) Tankbustas? They have pistols and tankbusta bombs. In a tournament are they still considered to have rokkit launchas?

No, you would need to give them rokkit launchers. There are any number of similar cases where old options have been removed and the models would need to be modified to be legal. 2nd edition, for example, allowed for entire Space Wolf armies with powerfists...

There currently is an official tank busta model with rokkit-pistols. Just glue some spare rokkits to your old model's pistols and you'd be fine.

Not to drag this too far off topic, but where are you getting your spare rokkits from?

All my first edition SMs have backpacks.

I didn't even know they were an option.

Since they look almost identical to current backpacks, it will be rather confusing to use them as jump packs.

Ordznik wrote:Not to drag this too far off topic, but where are you getting your spare rokkits from?

Burna/Loota boxes mostly. No one needs the mek, and much less one with a rokkit. Also boyz boxes that are not used to build boyz but kommandoz or burnaz/lootaz. A spare deffkopta can also be looted for up to four rokkits.

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Kilkrazy wrote:I didn't even know they were an option.

They were not an option - all marines came with backpack/jet packs. They had no in-game effect.